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    Might cause Duncan to give up the gay lifestyle and act like somebody. Kiwi took his gd manhood in the middle of in' June.
    still graspin' for straws, eh, old man?

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    Kawhi can get his own shot. Dude has some grown man moves that he's successfully used on some damn good defenders.....definitely not 'system player' status....

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    Is billups a system player? I would consider him to be one. Players who excel in one type of system and levels off significantly in others are system players. Doesn't make them bad players, just that they need a certain structure to excel and maximize their contributions.

    Kawhi isn't so dominant that he can just take over a franchise. Again, he's like a poor man's pippen, and he wasn't even considered as a pre injury Paul George. Miami was the perfect opponent for him and that's why he couldn't in the regular season do what he did in the finals. Nobody in their right minds would consider Kawhi a franchise player at this point.

    He may be able to do it one day, he just is t one now and hasn't shown that he is going to be one soon.
    Stop moving goal posts son, we're arguing Kawhi as a "system player" not a "franchise" one.

    The reason Kawhi did what he did in the finals and not in the reg season is 'cause in the finals since game 3 he started to play 40 minutes per game and in the regular season he didn't even play 30. Give Kawhi 40 mpg during the reg season and watch his numbers grow maybe even to all-star levels.

    And no, I don't think the Spurs' system gets the most out of Kawhi. I could see him posting better individual numbers under other styles of play.
    Last edited by DAF86; 08-02-2014 at 03:43 PM.

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    Dude just barely turned 23,,,,who knows what the he'll be? Is he a system player,,,,who cares? Kid shined on the biggest stage in professional basketball at 22 and brought his team a le. The base of his legacy has been started,,,it's up to him what he builds onto it.

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    someone correct me on this, did he break into the starting unit in his rookie season?

    i felt that he got shafted by pop and drafted onto a team with 3tosb who has a ballhog on the team stuff up his campaign that year to be ROY

    he looked like he couldve won ROY on any other team without a ballhog, dude clearly didnt get the green light and continue to do so...

    if this clown aint gettin max contract, i be happy for him and green to find greener pastures on another team where they be paid market value and appreciated with a better role, then continue to bailout a turd who continues steal their credit contribution...u know who im talkin about

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    someone correct me on this, did he break into the starting unit in his rookie season?

    i felt that he got shafted by pop and drafted onto a team with 3tosb who has a ballhog on the team stuff up his campaign that year to be ROY

    he looked like he couldve won ROY on any other team without a ballhog, dude clearly didnt get the green light and continue to do so...

    if this clown aint gettin max contract, i be happy for him and green to find greener pastures on another team where they be paid market value and appreciated with a better role, then continue to bailout a turd who continues steal their credit contribution...u know who im talkin about
    Obvious troll is obvious

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    The half ed little dragged that got Duncan right to it. No denying it. Wish it weren't so, but, it's as plain as the nose on me face.

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    The half ed little dragged that got Duncan right to it. No denying it. Wish it weren't so, but, it's as plain as the nose on me face.
    Duncan:: 5-1 (83%)

    TOSB Kobe:: 5-2 (71%)

    Bag stays in Cali little boy

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    Stop moving goal posts son, we're arguing Kawhi as a "system player" not a "franchise" one.

    The reason Kawhi did what he did in the finals and not in the reg season is 'cause in the finals since game 3 he started to play 40 minutes per game and in the regular season he didn't even play 30. Give Kawhi 40 mpg during the reg season and watch his numbers grow maybe even to all-star levels.

    And no, I don't think the Spurs' system gets the most out of Kawhi. I could see him posting better individual numbers under other styles of play.
    You are a system or role player if you are not a franchise player.

    Franchise players are those players who can define and carry a franchise. If you are not one, I can't see you being anything but a system player, or worse, a role player or even bench warmer.

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    You are a system or role player if you are not a franchise player.

    Franchise players are those players who can define and carry a franchise. If you are not one, I can't see you being anything but a system player, or worse, a role player or even bench warmer.
    lol that's a strange way of thinking.

    If there's no middle ground between "franchise players" and "system players" where do you place guys like Manu, Tony, Bosh, etc?

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    lol that's a strange way of thinking.

    If there's no middle ground between "franchise players" and "system players" where do you place guys like Manu, Tony, Bosh, etc?
    System players for sure.

    Bosh was a borderline franchise player with the raptors, but that was a stretch.

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    You are a system or role player if you are not a franchise player.

    Franchise players are those players who can define and carry a franchise. If you are not one, I can't see you being anything but a system player, or worse, a role player or even bench warmer.
    Would you say Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, ect,,,are all role players since they haven't carried their teams to anything worth a ?

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    System players for sure.

    Bosh was a borderline franchise player with the raptors, but that was a stretch.
    GTFO

    So guys like Manu, Tony and Bosh wouldn't be able to duplicate what they have done in other teams? Yeah, that's an argument I strongly disagree with.

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    Would you say Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, ect,,,are all role players since they haven't carried their teams to anything worth a ?
    Anthiny Davis is going to be a franchise player, Drummond is a role player with franchise player potential, irving is overrated as who's a system plays who thinks he's a franchise player and ditto for Kevin love

    I put little stock in evaluating an individual player in the success of the team. Great Players can be in horrible situations that keep them from winning big. We as saw that in Barkley, dirk prior to 11, Garnett prior to 08, Stockton, Hakeem prior to 94, Jordan prior to 91, Lebron prior to 12, and the list goes on and on. No matter how great an individual is, basketball is a team game.

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    GTFO

    So guys like Manu, Tony and Bosh wouldn't be able to duplicate what they have done in other teams? Yeah, that's an argument I strongly disagree with.
    Manu will break down, tony will be what Marbury was, and bosh was a role player with Miami.

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    Anthiny Davis is going to be a franchise player, Drummond is a role player with franchise player potential, irving is overrated as who's a system plays who thinks he's a franchise player and ditto for Kevin love

    I put little stock in evaluating an individual player in the success of the team. Great Players can be in horrible situations that keep them from winning big. We as saw that in Barkley, dirk prior to 11, Garnett prior to 08, Stockton, Hakeem prior to 94, Jordan prior to 91, Lebron prior to 12, and the list goes on and on. No matter how great an individual is, basketball is a team game.
    Davis is gonna be a franchise player? ,,,,pure speculation,,,

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    I don't think Amb is on the right track here, tbh. arguing there's no spot in between franchise and role/system players... i disagree

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    Davis is gonna be a franchise player? ,,,,pure speculation,,,
    Davis has shown all the tools to be one. Of course it's pure speculation, just like saying Kawhi is going to be a franchise player is a speculation.

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    I don't think Amb is on the right track here, tbh. arguing there's no spot in between franchise and role/system players... i disagree
    Role players are different from system players. A player whose between a role player and a franchise player is likely a system player, or in some cases impact less all stars.

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    i dont like how the spurs have marketed the team that this is enriques team, it was never his team to begin with

    i think this will hold kawhi back for the new season whether his going to be selected as allstar or not

    cause all success goes to enrique while everything else is on the team...thats how voters and the media see it

    i think its about time he gets his due, and it has always been his team the moment the spurs traded for him...

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