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I don't think there can be any doubt that Manu will make the HOF, and easily, when you examine his legacy.
Yeah I know..
Getting rings doesn't put you in the HOF. Kerr has 5 and Horry has 7 and neither will even get a whiff of the HOF.
Why are you talking about role players?
Ginobili was a lock for the Hall of Fame after leading Argentina to the gold. The only Olympic performance as impressive in recent memory was Sabonis in 88.
There are some international players in the HOF that have no business whatsoever being in.. And there are some American players like Glen Rice never getting in the HOF but I guess 1 gold medal would have got him there easily.. I don't know what it is about my post that has some fans here butt hurt? I said he was getting in thanks largely to his NBA les and I got people all whiny about that as if I am not giving him enough credit.. Manu has stayed relevant for so long because he is a Spur playing with Tim Duncan and coached by Pop.. His cir stances were very fortunate.. Just saying..
He is right about that, tbqh...
The NBA career is the one you have to look at with the most critical eye to suggest otherwise is just plain stupidity. He has spent almost 1000 games in the Spurs uniform when you include the playoffs. How many games has he played for his national team over the last 10 years? He is in based mostly on his career with the Spurs if you ask me.
Manu would likely have been the star on most other teams, started, put up 20 shots a night and played a lot of minutes. Manu with several years of 25-5-5 stat lines would have made the HOF even with no les.
With his reckless style of play I don't see him ever putting up numbers like that with any kind of consistency.
He pretty much did until last year..
Manu is easily deserving of being in the HoF. The idiots saying otherwise are just jealous or ignorant of his resume.
Its the Basketball HoF, not the NBA HoF. Manu is an absolute lock.
Signed, sealed , and delivered....unlike Jeff Van Gundy.
He is in with his nba creds alone but 95% of his career is in the nba. It is not 50/50 it's the biggest piece..
Those are basically his numbers. If you just take his career but give him 36 minutes a night and five more shots per game, which he would get with any other team, he puts up those numbers without any problem.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...er_career.html
Career P.E.R all time Leaders
Manu 38 all time.
TP 91 all time.
TD 12 all time.
How the is he going to average 36 minutes a game? for his career he has averaged only 27 minutes and he has still been extremely injury prone. Most of his career pop has had to manage him whether it was because he was so beat up from playing over the summer or beat up in general from his physical style of play.
You should look up this term, because I suspect you don't know what any of those words mean. He's gotten injured, but he's nowhere NEAR injury prone, and EXTREMELY injury prone is out of the question. Greg Oden is extremely injury prone. It's amazing that Spurs fans seem to think it's impossible for a top-level player to put up 36 minutes a game when players do it all the time. Manu's done it a hundred times. Since his second year, he's missed 173 of 968 games, which is about 15 games a season. Pop started selectively resting him in, what, 2005? It's a nice luxury to have the depth to allow you to manage minutes of your best players. Pop also chose to bring him off the bench, which nobody else in the NBA would ever have done. Credit to Pop for likely extending Manu's career doing that, but make no mistake that Manu has sacrificed his individual numbers for les.
Same can be said about McHale and Parish. If not for the draft day trade that sent both to the Celtics playing along side Bird instead of going to the GS. At this point, even without his Int'l resume, Manu would make the the HOF. B/c of his Int'l play resume, he will be a first ballot HOFer.
There will always be so-called experts who will point to the fact that he was not a starter for most of his career in the NBA as if that meant he was inferior to one of the starting five. What they fail to see is that more importantly he was always the finisher, especially in close games, because of his clutch play and ability to knock down the free throws if the game came to that.
Manu makes the HOF but mainly do to his international career and winning that gold medal in the '04 Olympics. I guess whatever he does in the NBA is extra but won't really be considered. As for the NBA yes he's helped us win a lot of championships but you can say that about a lot of players in the league (Fisher, Kerr, Horry) but that doesn't make them HOF's. His NBA resume isn't that impressive as far as individual accomplishments even though I feel he hasn't gotten some of the recognition he deserves. Of course being a permanent sixth man on this team didn't help him.
According to the HOF formula on http://www.basketball-reference.com/
He's 21 among active players. Add in the brief but impressive euro career and international play (gold medal)- I think he is a lock.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...rob.html?redir
Choke Paul and Fatmelo above Manu.
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