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    do you understand that it doesn't go something like fish-fish-fish-fish-fish-lizard-lizard-lizard-mouse-mouse-mouse-mouse-small monkey-small monkey-small monkey-chimp-chimp-chimp-chimp-human-human, etc...

    there is no "generation x" where suddenly you get new species. at least not according to the theory of evolution
    Sure it does, and that's what it teaches.

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    You're just being dishonest now. I have already shown that I have at least a basic understanding on evolution.
    You don't. You repeatedly say things about it that are provably false.
    Your understanding of evolution is "basic" but gets the science and evidence wrong in many respects.

    If you want me to show that, I would be happy to step you through why I say that.

    If you really wanted to understand the theory of evolution, you could spend time on a few videos that outline the evidence for the theory of evolution.

    More basically, you should first understand what "theory" means in the scientific sense.

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    We can obviously agree to disagree. I do think it makes sense to take what one thinks to be the most reasonable stance on a question and look for a reason reject that stance. I don't see it as merely saying, "God exists because you can't prove he doesn't." I see it as more, "I believe god most likely exists because I find it to be the most reasonable explanation for the following reasons, but I am willing to amend that view if a better explanation comes along." I'd rather it be characterized as a "God of Gaps," argument than an "Argument From Ignorance", although I disagree with both evaluations.
    I agree with this also, especially the part I put in bold, and most especially the underlined part.

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    I had that and a couple classes at COS. I came away thinking that if science has it already all figured out then why do we still have sientists?

    Trust me 100 years from now a lot of what science says today will be inaccurate just like it was 100 years ago.
    it doesn't. the greatest moments of science are when they destroy old scientific stances.

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    Then explain atavisms without evolution.
    Think about what you're asking. If you think hard enough this can be used against evolution.

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    Sure it does, and that's what it teaches.
    no. no. and just. no. this is why i say you dont understand the theory of evolution.

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    tf outa here. successful mutations, no purpose, random, blah blah blah.
    Did someone say RANDOM?

    Evolution isn't random at all. Mutations are, evolution is not.

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    specifically. what don't i have proof or evidence in?
    In this case, anything scientifically proven.
    Science has it, but you do not.

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    no. no. and just. no. this is why i say you dont understand the theory of evolution.
    Explain

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    it doesn't. the greatest moments of science are when they destroy old scientific stances.
    BINGO BANGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So tell us all again about how science has things figured out.

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    Think about what you're asking. If you think hard enough this can be used against evolution.
    Feel free to present an alternative theory about atavisms. The theory of evolution explains this phenomena quite well.

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    BINGO BANGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So tell us all agaun about how science has things figured out.
    where did i say that in the first place, so that i can tell you "again"

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    Did someone say RANDOM?

    Evolution isn't random at all. Mutations are, evolution is not.
    What is evolution then? Give me your definition.

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    Feel free to present an alternative theory about atavisms. The theory of evolution explains this phenomena quite well.

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    What is evolution then? Give me your definition.
    Change in the genetic makeup of a population. That's literally what it means.

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    where did i say that in the first place, so that i can tell you "again"
    I could have sworn you were backing what science says about all this.....no you aren't?

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    In this case, anything scientifically proven.
    Science has it, but you do not.
    i'm asking for a specific example.
    thats a very long explanation. i would recommend a textbook. or if you want later i can search for a source which will at least present the theory to you, whether you agree or not, i think its important you understand what the actual theory is instead of those stupid pictures you copy-paste

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    I could have sworn you were backing what science says about all this.....no you aren't?
    i never claimed that science has it all figured out. if you are putting words in my mouth, its a different story

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    What other gods? Are there other gods out there that you are aware of?
    According to your god when he "wrote" the 10 Commandments.. there are.

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    "Evolutionarily, traits that have disappeared phenotypically do not necessarily disappear from an organism's DNA. The gene sequence often remains, but is inactive."

    "Such an unused gene may remain in the genome for many generations."




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    What is evolution then? Give me your definition.
    We aren't discussing my understanding, we are discussing yours.

    First you have to understand what a theory is.

    To you, what is a theory in the scientific sense?

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    Another scienticic fact proven false:

    A young Earth: In the mid-1800s many scientists, including Lord Kelvin, believed the Earth to be just 20 million to 40 million years old. It was around that time that geologists such as Charles Lyell began to believe that the Earth was much older, and this conformed to the views of biologists such as Charles Darwin, who needed a much older Earth for evolution to unfold. It wasn’t until the middle of the 20th century that scientists came to the accepted conclusion today that the Earth is about 4.55 billion years old.

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    If anyone is really wondering about the progression of things, it goes: mutation, evolution, natural or human selection (or random events like catastrophes), evolution, speciation, evolution ... (repeat thousands of times) Evolution.

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    i'm asking for a specific example.

    thats a very long explanation. i would recommend a textbook. or if you want later i can search for a source which will at least present the theory to you, whether you agree or not, i think its important you understand what the actual theory is instead of those stupid pictures you copy-paste
    Okay so you laugh at me for using a book and now you're recommending a book? Smh.

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    Another scienticic fact proven false:

    A young Earth: In the mid-1800s many scientists, including Lord Kelvin, believed the Earth to be just 20 million to 40 million years old. It was around that time that geologists such as Charles Lyell began to believe that the Earth was much older, and this conformed to the views of biologists such as Charles Darwin, who needed a much older Earth for evolution to unfold. It wasn’t until the middle of the 20th century that scientists came to the accepted conclusion today that the Earth is about 4.55 billion years old.
    why do you keep saying "fact" proven false, when the segment you copy-pasted says "believed"

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