NBA: Still waiting for posters to name me 10 players better than Kevin Love in the league,

[Cry Havoc]

at Blake being a "lost little boy" on defense.... he's not great, but he's a more-or-less average rim protector, and he did show some flashes here and there on the defensive end towards the end of last season.... he's not Harden or Love....

Eh, that's probably true. Compared to George though, he's a couple of echelons lower and I still rate him below average on D. That said, Blake has been improving on both sides of the ball so I could definitely see him being a "decent" defender this year. It's going to be a bit tough to tell though with Deandre protecting the rim, but I'll watch him closely this year to see how he moves. I think his off-ball rotations are probably what needs the most work, if he establishes defensive position against a man with the ball he seems to be OK.

There are times though, he gets completely lost. I don't think the instinctive reflex of when and where to rotate/cover/hedge has kicked in for him yet. That's more of a mental thing, so we'll see if he makes that leap.

[skut_farkus]

Love gets alot of rebounds because he is superior at boxing out. But he is not good at contesting shots, man to man, or even fronting his opponent. His foot work on the defensive end is that of a statue

[Cry Havoc]

You got griffin, aldridge and even Davis this last year who are probably some of the better mid range bigs in the game. Griffin has came a long ways this year and no doubt in my mind is a better player than love on both ends. That goes for aldridge and Davis too.

I think THIS season is the one that Davis makes the leap into supers om. Dude is a time bomb waiting to detonate on the League and with talent around him he's bound to win rings, tbh.

As for Aldridge, yeah he's got a better mid-range but Blake looks far more explosive in and around the rim. To be fair he's probably a top 3 player in that regard, but it can't be discounted. The mid-range he's found makes his game great, but it's not his best feature. Aldridge needs to learn to dominate inside and play at the rim to make that next step as a player. In that regard, I'll take Love, since he's got range all over the court, is a legitimate threat to score at all times, and cleans the glass just as well as LMA despite being worse on defense. I think Love will benefit from a system like Cleveland's and will probably be a better defender this year than at any point in his career.

[skut_farkus]

Love is a solid 3rd option. Possibly 2nd now that he is with lebron. Nothing wrong with that, but he is just over rated

[Cry Havoc]

Love gets alot of rebounds because he is superior at boxing out. But he is not good at contesting shots, man to man, or even fronting his opponent. His foot work on the defensive end is that of a statue

He's not good, but I wouldn't stay he's terrible. Just bad/well below average.

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Off the top of my head, in no specific order:

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Chris Paul
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Dwight Howard
6. Anthony Davis
7. Blake Griffin
8. Stephen Curry
9. Carmelo Anthony
10. Tony Parker

That's ten right there. I could even add in a couple more players like James Harden, Damian Lillard, LaMarcus Aldridge, Tim Duncan, or Kawhi Leonard.

[DMC]

Harden isn't any better, unless you only count regular season production. Matter of fact, last year Harden shot worse in the playoffs for one (37%) and George faced tougher defense with Miami and Washington. Their percentage as a matter of fact isn't even that far off. The minor discrepancy in PPG during the regular season comes in FT's, where Harden gets a good amount 9 trips to the line compared to PG's 5.8.


I'd give the slight edge to Harden offensively, but it isn't a gap that you make it out to be . George at least plays excellent defense while Harden is a huge liability on that end. Given the minimal increase of production you get from Harden, it would be stupid to take him over someone who has an astonishing depth of all-around game.

Since Kevin has never seen a playoff game, you can only count RS production.

[DMC]

Love gets alot of rebounds because he is superior at boxing out. But he is not good at contesting shots, man to man, or even fronting his opponent. His foot work on the defensive end is that of a statue

As young as he is, he doesn't get up and down very well. I think he's got knee issues. He'll work for some extra possessions, but he won't be the one who forced the miss.

[-21-]

Love is a solid 3rd option. Possibly 2nd now that he is with lebron. Nothing wrong with that, but he is just over rated

I agree, I've said this before. Kevin Love isn't the type of guy who can win a championship while being the number one option. With the way his game is evolving in addition to playing with LeBron, there's a good chance he goes the Chris Bosh route.

He's not good, but I wouldn't stay he's terrible. Just bad/well below average.

If he prioritizes getting in rebounding position over contesting a shot, it doesn't matter if his defensive skills are terrible or just below average. What he needs is a coach that can convince him to play defense first and go for the rebound second.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I didn't edit , that's what you originally posted:

Clearly edited

[Clipper Nation]

Clearly edited

Frizzle trying to get a "sick burn" in, failing, editing it out and denying it

[spurraider21]

i gave you 10, so did many others. you are reaching

[spurraider21]

George is horrific on offense. 21 points on 17 shots to the tune of 42% shooting.

Yes Harden is better than George. Offensively.

i think another big factor is the pace of the teams. the rockets play much faster than indiana does. i agree though, strictly on the offensive end, Harden is the better player. he's a better playmaker than George and is more efficient, though a lot of his efficiency comes from ref baiting. in the end it works for him so w/e.

If Paul George played on an offense that ran like Houston I think his numbers would swell a bit. his injury changes the whole dynamic though. plus their crappy offense got worse with Lance leaving

[rogues]

Frizzle trying to get a "sick burn" in, failing, editing it out and denying it

[spurraider21]

i have come to the conclusion that Cry Havoc does not watch the clippers

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Frizzle trying to get a "sick burn" in, failing, editing it out and denying it

You do realize if I edited my post, there would be an "edited by" at the bottom, right?

[RsxPiimp]

1. Harden is top 5 in offensive Win shares, so no he's not "slightly" better on offense. George isn't even top 20. Harden has been top 5 in win shares back to back years.
2. Harden is Top 6 in Win shares per 48 minutes, George is 16th.
3. Offensive rating, george is not top 20.
4. George has a higher usage rate than Harden, and against East compe ion, he still is far less efficient.
5. No it isn't just free throws. Harden shoots 51% on 2 point attempts, George shoots 45%. Harden assisted on 27% of player makes while he was on the floor, George assisted on 17%, so not only does that say Harden is the better playmaker, George can't even properly dribble or create space to set up his teammates.

6. Yes Harden needs to show up in the playoffs, he is capable.

One of the most useless post in this thread. The premise was to value a player which isn't exclusive to offensive production. I like how you keep bringing up offense when it was brought to your attention, George is a two way player that particularly values defense...


Harden stans are justifying his monumental collapse in the playoffs for 3 straight years

[Clipper Nation]

You do realize if I edited my post, there would be an "edited by" at the bottom, right?

There is one, dumbass

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

There is one, dumbass

Because I changed "imbred" to "inbred".

[spurraider21]

Because I changed "imbred" to "inbred".

CN's snapshot says "edited 2 hours ago" and right now it says "edited 1 minute" ago. you are a failure at this

inb4 you respond with " raiders... liberal"

[Cry Havoc]

i have come to the conclusion that Cry Havoc does not watch the clippers

Cool story, bro. I probably watched them more than you did this year.

[spurraider21]

Cool story, bro. I probably watched them more than you did this year.

i probably watched 70 of the clippers 82 regular season games this year tbh.

[Cry Havoc]

i probably watched 70 of the clippers 82 regular season games this year tbh.

Then you would know that Blake Griffin has a defensive rating of 103. On a team with very good defensive players. Know who else had a DRating of 103? David Lee.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

CN's snapshot says "edited 2 hours ago" and right now it says "edited 1 minute" ago. you are a failure at this

inb4 you respond with " raiders... liberal"

yeah I wanted to see how far along it would go

but at you guys thinking it actually means something. taking the time to take two screenshots and post them on ST to "prove I edited a post". Good one CN


oh yeah

raiders
liberal

[spurraider21]

Then you would know that Blake Griffin has a defensive rating of 103. On a team with very good defensive players. Know who else had a DRating of 103? David Lee.

Blake Griffin's defensive rating = 103.3
Tony Allen's defensive rating = 103.1

det 0.2 difference

Anthony Davis = 104.3