Warriors: Steph Curry is one of the most overrated players in the league..

[Perry Mason]

Chris Paul's stats when he got eliminated in the second round: 22.5 ppg, 11.8 apg, 3.7 rpg, 2.5 spg, 51 FG%, 45 3PT%

Those are ridiculous stats b... but he's a choker 'cause he never played with a team as good as the Spurs.

Stats are cute and indicate the "tier" of a player, but once a player is a leader on a playoff team, the litmus test is no longer who has more efficient or productive stats, but who made the best decisions to contribute to his team's victory. Those decisions may mean that the player has low stats.

Example: Tony Parker's Game 3 in the Finals, where Pop praised him. Pop doesn't praise lightly.

I again look at Game 5 against OKC this year, since both teams faced the same team in the same Playoff year. TP put up balanced stats, and played an excellent floor game with few mistakes. Chris Paul put up moderately nicer stats, but the bed in the game's critical moments.

The claim that the Spurs would have the same level of success with CP3 instead of TP is unknowable nonsense. I suspect the claim is false as I believe TP is the more intelligent decision maker and has less of an ego. But all we do know is that CP3, as a team leader with all of the leeway a player can have in this league, and with very good teams, has never gone beyond the second round.

[Texas_Ranger]

I am sorry but Paul is better than Parker on both sides of the court. And please don't start with the choking cause Tony is also a well known choker in big games. Replace Parker with Paul on the Spurs and this team would be ing unstoppable.

[RD2191]

When the did I do that? And what does that run have anything to do with the things we're discussing right now?

Because for some reason you brought up Parkers 13-14 season as a knock on him. When in reality it wasn't that bad at all.

Career stats
TP9 17.1 ppg 6 assist on .495 fg%
CP3 18.6 PPG 9.9 assist on .472 fg%

Not a huge difference considering TP averages 4 less minutes of playing time career wise.

[RD2191]

I am sorry but Paul is better than Parker on both sides of the court. And please don't start with the choking cause Tony is also a well known choker in big games. Replace Parker with Paul on the Spurs and this team would be ing unstoppable.

[RD2191]

Stats are cute and indicate the "tier" of a player, but once a player is a leader on a playoff team, the litmus test is no longer who has more efficient or productive stats, but who made the best decisions to contribute to his team's victory. Those decisions may mean that the player has low stats.

Example: Tony Parker's Game 3 in the Finals, where Pop praised him. Pop doesn't praise lightly.

I again look at Game 5 against OKC this year, since both teams faced the same team in the same Playoff year. TP put up balanced stats, and played an excellent floor game with few mistakes. Chris Paul put up moderately nicer stats, but the bed in the game's critical moments.

The claim that the Spurs would have the same level of success with CP3 instead of TP is unknowable nonsense. I suspect the claim is false as I believe TP is the more intelligent decision maker and has less of an ego. But all we do know is that CP3, as a team leader with all of the leeway a player can have in this league, and with very good teams, has never gone beyond the second round.

Truth nuke.

[Perry Mason]

I am sorry but Paul is better than Parker on both sides of the court. And please don't start with the choking cause Tony is also a well known choker in big games. Replace Parker with Paul on the Spurs and this team would be ing unstoppable.

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Chokers don't win a Finals MVP. Chokers don't play games in the Finals like TP's Game 1 2013 finals, or Games 1, 3 and 4 of the 2014 finals, or the 4th quarter of Game 5 this year.

And Chokers most certainly don't nearly will their team to victory in Game 6 as TP did:

[Chinook]

Curry is overrated as . He'd be awesome as a second banana. But as far as I'm concerned, as a first option, he puts up empty stats because he can be shut down by a single defender. He gets most of his assists from teams being stupid and leaving people open to help on him. That's obviously a credit to his intelligence, but if teams just played him straight up, he wouldn't look nearly as good.

[DAF86]

Stats are cute and indicate the "tier" of a player, but once a player is a leader on a playoff team, the litmus test is no longer who has more efficient or productive stats, but who made the best decisions to contribute to his team's victory. Those decisions may mean that the player has low stats.

Example: Tony Parker's Game 3 in the Finals, where Pop praised him. Pop doesn't praise lightly.

I again look at Game 5 against OKC this year, since both teams faced the same team in the same Playoff year. TP put up balanced stats, and played an excellent floor game with few mistakes. Chris Paul put up moderately nicer stats, but the bed in the game's critical moments.

The claim that the Spurs would have the same level of success with CP3 instead of TP is unknowable nonsense. I suspect the claim is false as I believe TP is the more intelligent decision maker and has less of an ego. But all we do know is that CP3, as a team leader with all of the leeway a player can have in this league, and with very good teams, has never gone beyond the second round.

You're bringing a lot of subjective bull to the conversation. Do you really think the Spurs wouldn't have won it all replacing CP3 with Tony? The same Tony that didn't play in the closeout games against Portland and OKC and that went scoreless in the closeout against Miami till we were 15 or so pts ahead in the 4th quarter? Really?

[RD2191]

You're bringing a lot of subjective bull to the conversation. Do you really think the Spurs wouldn't have won it all replacing CP3 with Tony? The same Tony that didn't play in the closeout games against Portland and OKC and that went scoreless in the closeout against Miami till we were 15 or so pts ahead in the 4th quarter? Really?

Okay, so replace Duncan with KG and the Spurs have 5 les today?

[Chinook]

Replace Parker with Paul on the Spurs and this team would be ing unstoppable.

Nah. Paul likes to dominate the ball a lot more than Parker did this season. Chris is actually a pretty good off-ball player. But because he holds the ball so much, his teams' offenses are relatively easy to shut down by good teams. He's a lot like Curry in that way.

I agree that Paul is a better player in a vacuum than Parker, though.

[DAF86]

Okay, so replace Duncan with KG and the Spurs have 5 les today?

You are all over the place son. Why bring this up wehn I already said that Duncan is clearly better than KG? You're grasping at straws hard son.

[Malik Hairston]

Realistically, there are at least 15 PGs that could have replaced Parker this season and the Spurs still would have won the le..he was absolutely horrendous, especially against OKC..

2014 Parker and 2013 Parker are night and day, tbh..one was an MVP candidate that had a great playoff run until games 6-7 of the Finals, and the other struggled throughout the playoffs and was statistically a net negative..

[DAF86]

Nah. Paul likes to dominate the ball a lot more than Parker did this season. Chris is actually a pretty good off-ball player. But because he holds the ball so much, his teams' offenses are relatively easy to shut down by good teams. He's a lot like Curry in that way.

I agree that Paul is a better player in a vacuum than Parker, though.

Yeah, and he wouldn't change his style one bit playing on this team under Pop.

Sorry, I forgot to blue that.

[RD2191]

You are all over the place son. Why bring this up wehn I already said that Duncan is clearly better than KG? You're grasping at straws hard son.

How is he clearly better?

[DAF86]

How is he clearly better?

Among other things 'cause when the going got tough you could just give Duncan the ball in the post and have him dominate from there. KG never had that dominant post game.

[Malik Hairston]

Curry is overrated as . He'd be awesome as a second banana. But as far as I'm concerned, as a first option, he puts up empty stats because he can be shut down by a single defender. He gets most of his assists from teams being stupid and leaving people open to help on him. That's obviously a credit to his intelligence, but if teams just played him straight up, he wouldn't look nearly as good.

To be fair, Curry played in one of the 3 most ISO-oriented teams in the league under Mark Jackson(statistically IIRC)..it'll be interesting to see how he looks in a more free-flowing system where he isn't the only creator most of the time..it should give us an indication of whether Curry's questionable style of play(a lot of 1 on 1 and bad shot selection) was due to coaching or his lack of certain skills..

[RD2191]

Among other things 'cause when the going got tough you could just give Duncan the ball in the post and have him dominate from there. KG never had that dominant post game.

Oh okay, Duncan knew how to win. Thank you.

[RD2191]

http://www.basesandbaskets.com/2013/...omparison.html

[Clipper Nation]

1-Lebron
2-Durant
3-Davis
4-Paul
5-Howard
6-George
7-Westbrook
8-Love
9-Curry
10-Griffin

Such a re ed list, starting with Davis already being ranked third without having done much yet, followed by Choke Paul and George being overrated, and Westbrook, Love, and Curry being ranked over Blake....

[DAF86]

Oh okay, Duncan knew how to win. Thank you.

KG knew how to win as soon as he got a good enough team around him. Saying Duncan is better than KG doesn't mean Garnett is some choker that doesn't know how to win. If you think that you're dumb. You still have time son, don't be dumb.

[Baam]

Realistically, there are at least 15 PGs that could have replaced Parker this season and the Spurs still would have won the le..he was absolutely horrendous, especially against OKC..

2014 Parker and 2013 Parker are night and day, tbh..one was an MVP candidate that had a great playoff run until games 6-7 of the Finals, and the other struggled throughout the playoffs and was statistically a net negative..

Well to be fair 2013 Parker forced teams to defend 2014 Parker heavily giving room to other guys... And he still torched the Blazers and the Mavs in game 7 and was overall very consistent.

[RD2191]

Wipe your face when you're done, DAF86.

[RD2191]

KG knew how to win as soon as he got a good enough team around him. Saying Duncan is better than KG doesn't mean Garnett is some choker that doesn't know how to win. If you think that you're dumb. You still have time son, don't be dumb.

Their primes were nearly identical. And KG only won 1 even while having arguably better players in Pierce and Allen than Duncan ever had around him. The link I posted tries to make the case that Duncan had the better team but I don't agree with that. Duncan simply has what it takes to win, just like Parker.

[Baam]

To be fair, Curry played in one of the 3 most ISO-oriented teams in the league under Mark Jackson(statistically IIRC)..it'll be interesting to see how he looks in a more free-flowing system where he isn't the only creator most of the time..it should give us an indication of whether Curry's questionable style of play(a lot of 1 on 1 and bad shot selection) was due to coaching or his lack of certain skills..

The only thing you can fault him with is being a PG... It's extremely hard to carry a (badly coached) team as a PG....

[RD2191]

Such a re ed list, starting with Davis already being ranked third without having done much yet, followed by Choke Paul and George being overrated, and Westbrook, Love, and Curry being ranked over Blake....

I don't think this dude watches basketball, tbh.