They lost on a miraculous play by Ray Allen. The outta here with comparing that to Choke Paul never getting past the 2nd round.
How much more help does CP3 need, has an all star big man playing next to him, a very good shot blocker in Jordan, and the 6th man of the year coming off the bench. Just about as much help as Parker had in 13. What is CP3s excuse for not making at least the WCF?
Pop's system and the Spurs culture. CP3 plays for 'Lob City' and is their system.
Ha, ha, good one, Lebron was outplayed in the 2007, 2011, and 2014 Finals. He's overrated. If he weren't in the East, he be a one and done first round playoff loser most seasons.
He is the system only because he's a selfish, overdribbling heroballer who's unwilling to give up control to anyone else (despite multiple coaches trying to get him to do it).... too many times I've seen Blake have a really good first half and barely even touch the ball in the second half because Choke is heroballing out of jealousy....
Bottom line, Choke Paul won't even have a prayer of ringing until he finally agrees to be the role player he actually is.... his ballhogging, heroballing and overdribbling is simply too easy for playoff defenses to shut down, yet people still feign surprise when he chokes every season doing his same old tired act....
Well there you have it folks. CN dropping some knowledge.
Off the top of my head; Monty Williams, Byron Scott, Vinnie Del Negro and Doc Rivers.
I may be missing one or maybe added one but the point remains.
Did you just compare Blake Griffin to Tim ING Duncan?
And then you ask why it matters?
has the coatrider led the team to anything without duncan, ginoboli or kawhi individually?
Seriously. Paul hasn't made it passed the second round because he's too easy to shut down and dominates the ball so much that shutting him down is shutting his whole team down. I don't get why that's so hard for people to understand. It's not an accident or coincidence. The same thing would happen to the Spurs if Parker is their best player. You just can't win depending on your point-guard to dominate a game night in and night out.
I don't think it really does matter. Tim is the GOAT PF, but Griffin is a future HoFer in his own right, as it Paul. Many teams have made the conference finals over the last decade, and they didn't all have two HoFers in their relative primes like the Clippers do now. Bottom line is that Paul now has the talent around him to make it farther than he has. Could it be better? Yes. But you can say that about every team, including the Spurs.
Prior to the 2013-2014 season, Griffin was TERRIBLE on defense and not even that fantastic on offense. He was a solid PF and nothing more. Hardly worthy of world-level talent. Last year was the first year Griffin made the leap to seriously being an all-star caliber player. Not to mention that outside of Blake and Jordan, Paul has really no reliable players of any decent Caliber. After those three guys, every Spurs player is better down to the 8th or 9th guy.
So let's see, who's the other team that made the WCF? Oh yeah, the one with two consensus top 10 players in the league on their team. You guys act like losing to Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka suddenly means that Paul is a choke artist. That is frankly ridiculous. The team they lost to in 2013 is the one that beat the out of us the year before. I guess that makes the Spurs choke artists as well.
You guys are seriously comparing one year of Blake Griffin playing at a high level to Tim Duncan's entire career. I'm speechless. What the .
No one's comparing Griffin to Duncan. That's a horrible straw man on your part. We are saying Griffin (and the rest of the Clippers) should be good enough for Paul to get past the second round. You don't need to be perfect to make the conference finals. Too many flawed teams have made it recently for anyone to really think that.Prior to the 2013-2014 season, Griffin was TERRIBLE on defense and not even that fantastic on offense. He was a solid PF and nothing more. Hardly worthy of world-level talent. Last year was the first year Griffin made the leap to seriously being an all-star caliber player. Not to mention that outside of Blake and Jordan, Paul has really no reliable players of any decent Caliber. After those three guys, every Spurs player is better down to the 8th or 9th guy.
So let's see, who's the other team that made the WCF? Oh yeah, the one with two consensus top 10 players in the league on their team. You guys act like losing to Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka suddenly means that Paul is a choke artist. That is frankly ridiculous. The team they lost to in 2013 is the one that beat the out of us the year before. I guess that makes the Spurs choke artists as well.
You guys are seriously comparing one year of Blake Griffin playing at a high level to Tim Duncan's entire career. I'm speechless. What the .
Anyway, in 2013, LAC lost to Memphis, who didn't even play the Spurs the year before. I assume you meant OKC, but they beat the Rockets before losing to the Grizzlies as well in 2013. Then, Memphis got swept that same year by the Spurs in the WCF, so it's not like it mattered what happened before that anyway.
And stop playing dumb. You can say what you want about Paul's career in general, but if you seriously think Paul DIDN'T choke in Game 5 against OKC, I don't know what to tell you. That was some of the worst down-the-stretch play I've ever seen.
And I have been as critical of the Clippers as anyone on here. But they don't have a very well rounded team and they don't have any depth on either side of the ball. Again, not Chris Paul's fault. Acting like he has a dominant roster when he's only had one other player on his team that's actually a gamer and only for one season is ridiculous.
Conveniently ignoring that Paul did singlehandedly lose Game Five in the WCSF last year...
How many star players have a decade under their belts and haven't made the conference finals? You'll be surprised at how few are actually in that category. Most of them did not have dominant supporting casts, either. It doesn't take that to make the third round. Memphis and Indiana couldn't score. OKC was young in 2011 and had no bench last year. The Suns were the Suns in 2010. Denver was Denver in 2009.
Yes they are imho. If you want to name a pg who hasnt gone past the 2nd round against a 4 time nba champ, european champ in his teens then the "better" guard should dominate the statistics by a landslide to even have a case.
The play where Parker didn't close out on time?
Come to think of it, which 2nd round series did Parker carry the spurs through? He played horribly in 2002 once Phil Jackson closed the lane resulting in a reverse sweep, Duncan carried the spurs past the lakers in 2003, the lakers closed the lane again in 2004, Duncan and ginobili carried the spurs thru in 2005, lost in. 2006, Duncan again in 2007 and 2008, lost in first round in 2009, 2011, second round in 2010, Duncan again in 2012. 2013 is the inept series where he led the team in scorin in the second round and only tying curry in ppg for the series.
:rofl. You serious. The clippers minus Paul had the same talent of the spurs minus Parker? I mean, Parker had a fantastic year in his career, MVP candidate good, but the spurs were widely known as the deepest team in the league. And vinny del negro vs pop would be quite a comparison.
Yes I'm serious. And you laughing won't make it not true. Paul had an all star big man, 6th man of the year coming off the bench, and a good shot blocker in Jordan. So again, what is his excuse for not making it past the 2nd round?
And what has CP3 done that makes him better? Oh he averages 2 more ppg. Wow. Beast.
Paul averages more than Parker despite the fact that Parker is a score-first PG while Paul is a distributing point guard. You aren't helping your case.
You didn't read? Pop has how many coach of the years? Vinny del negro doesn't even have a job.
Good gravy man. Tony Parker won all 4 championships on his own. Duncan, ginobili, Bowen, and Kawhi, not to mention pop, was just lucky they can bask in the dominance of mvparker.
2nd Greatest PG of all time, behind magic because of ring count. Higher scoring average than Stockton, similar to isiah and more rings than both combined.
The funny thing is that out of the 4 postseason runs that ended in a ring for Tony, he played subpar (by his standars) in 3 of them. While in others where he beasted the team fell short, b..but winning championships is an individual accomplishment
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Which is another example of how the modern NBA defense has evolved to contain point guards who have to do everything for their team.The funny thing is that out of the 4 postseason runs that ended in a ring for Tony, he played subpar (by his standars) in 3 of them. While in others where he beasted the team fell short, b..but winning championships is an individual accomplishment
Should have ranked him 1st, tbh.Such a re ed list, starting with Davis already being ranked third without having done much yet, followed by Choke Paul and George being overrated, and Westbrook, Love, and Curry being ranked over Blake....
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