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Also Blatche.
Also Blatche.
They have been saying that since yersterday...
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba/...to-move-baynes
@ He thinks he's worth
Based on what ? Until he has an offer of 2M he's worth the Spurs Q&O.
Pretty sure he can make 2M in Europe, probably even more.
2 million is what a second tier player makes in the Euroleague. Baynes didn't play for very long over there, but when he did he was dominant. Add to that his performance at the WC, and you get the conclusion that he's really good with FIBA style. Someone is bound to give him an offer.
While players in Europe can certainly make more than $2 Million, it's not all that common. It's probably the equivalent of making $10 Million in the NBA. While it's not impossible for a team to give him that money, he'd have an exceptionally hard time getting in this late in the off-season.
The previous reports were that he wanted a longer term deal. The Spurs had said they would match any "reasonable" offer. I can't imagine it's just the extra $900k that the Spurs are finding unreasonable. I like Baynes but he's not going to be the difference between repeating or not so I don't really care if he comes back or not.
I think a lot of people are confusing what Aron Baynes is worth versus what he's paid. Just because he hasn't gotten offers above his QO doesn't necessarily mean hes not worth more, it just means that the market isn't willing to pay him more. For instance, Danny Green is almost certainly worth more than the $4 million he is making this season, both to the Spurs and within the league at large (at least until he hits FA next season). However since the NBA is not an ideal market economy, people can't strictly point to a lack of offers as measure for his worth or value. Its definitely an indicator but its not an absolute measure for it.
The more important question is what is Baynes' inherent worth to the Spurs organization and does it exceed: (1) The $2 million/yr or whatever figure he is asking for, (2) Does it hamstring or somehow inhibit their long-term goals, (3) what do they value the flexibility of a roster spot (e.g. is it worth $2 million+ to sign Baynes and potentially get rid of Daye/Ayres), and so on.
From an advanced stat standpoint, Ayres actually has outplayed Baynes which conceivably justifies the current disparity in their salaries. Now given the sample sizes between the two there is an argument to be made that the size is too small. Personally I think Baynes is the better player and I wouldn't be opposed to paying him 2mil and yr for 2-3 years if that it took to keep him, especially if it was front-loaded. I think Baynes provides a role which the Spurs need given the age of Duncan and Splitters playing style, in that he is a more physical center who can match up well with many of the potential opponents the Spurs will face in the postseason next year (Rockets, Thunder, Portland, Dallas to some extent).
Correct. It's an economy regulated by an agreement collectively bargained between labor and management. In an ideal market economy, LeBron would make 50M a year. All the comments about the lack of offers and how they relate to Baynes' value are made within the context of the rules for restricted free agency specified in the CBA, rules which are mostly unfavorable for the players, but rules which Baynes accepted when he signed an NBA contract.
Is there a deadline for Baynes to accept the qualifying offer?
The Spurs can withdraw the offer on the first.
The reason the Spurs won't pay is because they don't have to. They are not in the business of giving "goodwill" money to end-of-the-benchers. When they sign someone to a contract and then their production fades they don't get to take back any money. Everyone knows it is a business. Baynes has no incentive to sign the QO until the last day. Since the Spurs are evidently open to a sign-and-trade for Baynes the agent would serve Baynes well by finding a team with redundant small forwards making a salary that would get Baynes the deal he wants. The Spurs would probably be very open to paying a serviceable back up forward $2 million as opposed to Baynes.
I guess he hasn't signed with the Miami Heat yet.
Errors is making a bit over 1.8 million this year, which is mind numbingly stupid. throw in the milion or so that Daye is making and that's $3 million that the spurs are literally burning in a barrel.
As Duncan/Splitter injury and rest insurance and the fact that he was actually productive in the playoffs (I don't think he would've been scared of Blair in the playoffs), I think he's worth the money. And if he actually got regular minutes during the season instead of Pender , I think he would develop even more. But no...spurs wanna sign and trade him so they can continue sucking off Errors, Daye, and Boner
who did the spurs bid against to acquire Ayres? its not like he got vet min
I don't know how much more of a upside Baynes does have but he is a serviceable big man for limited minutes. I much rather see him replace Duncan on his rest days or Splitter/Diaw should they get injured than putting Ayres, Daye, and Bonner in that rotation. I won't mind if the Spurs go after another big man like Ayon but Baynes has a year under the Spurs system and would rather have him out there, unless the big man they sign is a lot better than Baynes. If they do bring in someone new, it may take him the year to learn the system and he may not be any use really this year.
So at one point does Baynes officially part ways with the team other than somebody sign him or him sign here?
Picture Pop and RC, sucking off Boner and drinking wine.
"Man, these guys are great. Errors claps whenever he drops the ball, Daye still only shows up against the worst teams who don't want to defend him. Exstatic must be blowing loads.."
Some of you people have very bright futures with the Knicks front office...
No, he's not. I remember hearing when they signed him that he's 6-10.5 barefoot, but the truth is, he's lucky if he's that in shoes. Duncan was towering over him in the Western Conference championship presentation.
I doubt any of the four candidates for fourth big claim the spot outright, since there's little separation among them and it all depends on whether they can play Duncan and Splitter together. If they can, they'll need a backup center. If they can't, they'll need a backup power forward.
Here's why Ayres got what he got and why the Spurs are unwilling to give Baynes more . . .
1) Ayres was a UFA, not an RFA and given that they signed him via the non-taxpayer MLE, we know they weren't bidding against themselves, as they would be by giving Baynes $2M.
2) Ayres was closer to a more proven commodity and despite the limited sample size, it wasn't unreasonable to think he was on the verge of establishing himself as a fourth big. There's nothing to suggest Baynes is.
3) Since Blair was gone and Baynes was virtually completely unproven, they needed another big. They no longer do.
I'm convinced he can get a superior offer somewhere else. Legitimate 7 footers are a premium, and if Nando can cash in his 2 year NBA experience for $2m a season in Europe, then I don't see why Baynes couldn't, especially now that his stock is high.
It was a simple question. In the absence of any actual offer superior to the QO, should the Spurs increase their offer to Baynes?
You posit a scenario in which in can easily get a superior offer.
Sorry, I'm not avoiding your premise, I'm just not buying it.
The question is, if he doesn't sign the QO, does he just becomes a free agent? Anybody can pick him up?
Of course you're avoiding it.
As to your question, the QO expires on October 1st unless the Spurs choose to extend it, which they almost certainly will not. At that point he remains a restricted free agent unless the Spurs renounce their right of first refusal.
He's a legit center with in a known quan y. We threw him out there against Dwight, and he responded. We threw him out there against Lopez, and he gave us solid minutes. He matches up well against other 7 footers.
I told you before the playoffs started that Baynes was going to be the 4th big, and he largely was. When Tiago gets in foul trouble, and we need an actual big, that's our guy. Ayres or Bonner just don't match up well against other tall centers.
Of course you're avoiding it.
As to your question, the QO expires on October 1st unless the Spurs choose to extend it, which they almost certainly will not. At that point he remains a restricted free agent unless the Spurs renounce their right of first refusal.
So by becoming a RFA, he basically fast-forwards his situation one year. Thanks.
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