***** The Official 2014 Avante Football Thread *****

[Blake]

BTW is 4-4-2 is anything good ? average ? or bad ?

It's bad in the sense you lose "juice"

[Blake]

Then as usual you'd be wrong.

As usual you're full of .

[Avante]

As usual you're full of .

Wanna make a bet? Back your big mouth up...ok?

Who would you consider is the most revered/best TT NFLer ever?

[Clipper Nation]

Then as usual you'd be wrong.

I'm sure you're referring to Antonio Gates, but he didn't play any sports at COS (only went there briefly to get his grades in order) and didn't play a down of football in college.... he also played basketball at two other colleges (EMU, Kent State).... saying COS "produced" him is a ridiculous stretch

[Clipper Nation]

Also, Zach Thomas and Wes Welker alone are better than any NFL players that COS has actually produced

[Avante]

I'm sure you're referring to Antonio Gates, but he didn't play any sports at COS (only went there briefly to get his grades in order) and didn't play a down of football in college.... he also played basketball at two other colleges (EMU, Kent State).... saying COS "produced" him is a ridiculous stretch

Yep, Antonio Gates. But....read what I said. I said nothing about him playing there.

[Clipper Nation]

Yep, Antonio Gates. But....read what I said. I said nothing about him playing there.

You said COS "had an NFL player," implying they were responsible in any way for his success on the gridiron....

[Avante]

Also, Zach Thomas and Wes Welker alone are better than any NFL players that COS has actually produced

Stupid.....do you really think I/anyone is going to debate a tiny JC vs Texas Tech...hahaha!!!!!! I just found it interesting that Gates did go there and he's obviously a better NFL TE( vs other TE's) than anyone out of TT vs their position.

[Avante]

You said COS "had an NFL player," implying they were responsible in any way for his success on the gridiron....

As usual youi never ever ever get anything right. I said nothing about Gates playing for COS, because he didn't.

But....when you list his education you will see COS there. So if anyone asked...what NFL players have attended COS you would mention Antonio Gates.

Let me guess..zooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Aztecfan03]

Stupid.....do you really think I/anyone is going to debate a tiny JC vs Texas Tech...hahaha!!!!!! I just found it interesting that Gates did go there and he's obviously a better NFL TE( vs other TE's) than anyone out of TT vs their position.

Why do you like trolling so much?

[Avante]

Why do you like trolling so much?

Trolling is for young punk kids who don't know about so they must act stupid to get attention. I don't play that stupid immature bull . I come real, I don't follow anyone around, they come to me, just like you're doing.

I'm an historian (and can prove that) who knows his stuff, if ya wanna learn/debate/joust...cool! That's not trolling.

[Blake]

Yep, Antonio Gates. But....read what I said. I said nothing about him playing there.

I think most would concur with CN that Zach Thomas > Gates.

which makes you wrong as usual.

[Avante]

I think most would concur with CN that Zach Thomas > Gates.

which makes you wrong as usual.

Not anyone who knows the NFL.

Antonio Gates vs all other TE's in history

TD's...2
Receptions...4
Yards...3

Are you telling me Zach Thomas is among the top 3-4 linebackers ever?

Go anywhere ranking linebackers and you'll see....

No. 15, Zach Thomas (Dolphins/Cowboys)
(1996-2008)
*Seven-time Pro Bowler
*Five-time 1st Team All-Pro
*Two-time 2nd Team All-Pro

This from 2012, talking greatest TE's


6. Antonio Gates, Chargers (2003-12)
3-time first-team All-Pro
8-time Pro Bowler
642 catches for 8,321 yards (13.0 ypc) and 83 TDs

Only a dummy like you would see Thomas as a better backer tthan Gates is as a TE.

[spurraider21]

zach thomas was a tackling machine, but i thought he was generally overrated. he was consistent and reliable but i never really saw him as a gamebreaker

[Avante]

zach thomas was a tackling machine, but i thought he was generally overrated. he was consistent and reliable but i never really saw him as a gamebreaker

Thomas was great but he's not among the top 3/4 backers ever, Antonio Gates is among the top 3/4 TE's ever.

[Blake]

You can't compare the rank of positions. It's stupid.

Zach has more tackles than any linebacker currently in the HOF.

I'll give it a wash between the two and leave it at that.

[Brazil]

It doesn't work that way. Because you are dealing with five teams playing a minimum of 16 games each. You are only interested in the end results.

It's 2012, after two weeks ATS

Cincy...0-1-1 ended up...9-7-1
Denver...1-1 ened up...11-6
Indy..1-1 ended up...10-6-1
Niners..2-0 ended up...10-8-1
Seattle..1-1 ended up...13-5

So the five started off....5-3-1
They ended up...53-32-3

2013 first two weeks

Cincy...1-0-1
Denver..2-0
Indy...0-2
Niners...1-1
Seattle...2-0

Started out...6-4-1

Ended up ATS

Cincy..10-6-1
Denver...11-7-1
Indy....11-7
Niners...12-6-1
Seattle...13-6

So...57-32-3

So all that is going to "dramatically" change in 2014?

So a 110-64-6 is going to become a loser a year later?

I understand the logic behind even though the logic is by definition flawed, the historical result of years of rosters is no indication of the performance of a new roster. It would be like betting on chances of the Celtics winning championships in the 90's based on their 80's successes...

but at digress, I was just wondering if a 4-4-2 is anything good right now ? I understand it is not compared to a 110-64-6 but by itself you win money on a 4-4-2 ?

[Avante]

I understand the logic behind even though the logic is by definition flawed, the historical result of years of rosters is no indication of the performance of a new roster. It would be like betting on chances of the Celtics winning championships in the 90's based on their 80's successes...

but at digress, I was just wondering if a 4-4-2 is anything good right now ? I understand it is not compared to a 110-64-6 but by itself you win money on a 4-4-2 ?

Will LSU beat Grambling 100 out of 100 years from now on, yes they will. How can that be with all those roster changes? Well?

Why haven't the Lions/Browns ever been in a Superbowl? Remember all those roster changes.

As far as the betting goes, you don't worry about any trend that is time tested. So it doesn't matter what happened in....two weeks.

[Avante]

Guys look....

Stop acting like ing little rookies over a few weeks...ok? It's ing stupid! Look at the Cowboys...oh they SUCK, ROMO YOU SUCK...boom..win the next game.

The Niners KICKED ASS...they lose.

GIVE THINGS SOME TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow~~~

The Saints ..SUCK!!!!!!!!!....ah..back to back on the road, ok?

Remember last season and it was...Eddie Lacy is fat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brazil]

Will LSU beat Grambling 100 out of 100 years from now on, yes they will. How can that be with all those roster changes? Well?

no you cannot say LSU will beat grambling 100 out of 100 years from now on

Why haven't the Lions/Browns ever been in a Superbowl? Remember all those roster changes.

Probably for the same reasons the Mavs never won a LOB before 2011... but guess what happened in 2011 ? or Bulls between 66 and 90... what happened next ?

As far as the betting goes, you don't worry about any trend that is time tested. So it doesn't matter what happened in....two weeks.

ok so 4-4-2 sucks but you are saying its no biggie because it will be good in the long run... typical from compulsive gambler tbh

[Aztecfan03]

You can't compare the rank of positions. It's stupid.

Zach has more tackles than any linebacker currently in the HOF.

I'll give it a wash between the two and leave it at that.

I agree about the comparing rank of positions thing. When people list the greatest players they don't list 1 qb, 1 rb, 1 wr, etc. through all the positions and then go back to qb and do it all over.

But there is also the fact that there are usually 3-4 linebackers on the field. Usually only 1 TE.

Not sure about the thomas vs. gates thing though.

[Avante]

no you cannot say LSU will beat grambling 100 out of 100 years from now on



Probably for the same reasons the Mavs never won a LOB before 2011... but guess what happened in 2011 ? or Bulls between 66 and 90... what happened next ?



ok so 4-4-2 sucks but you are saying its no biggie because it will be good in the long run... typical from compulsive gambler tbh

Totally wrong on every level.

LSU is on a whole other level of football than Grambling is on. There isn't one player on that Grambling team that could start for LSU and it's been that way for over a decade.

Talking football here not basketball.

I just showed you that the first few weeks had little to do with how things ended up. It's been that way for the five years since I discovered this system. It's a $$$$$$ maker.

[Blake]

I just showed you that the first few weeks had little to do with how things ended up. It's been that way for the five years since I discovered this system. It's a $$$$$$ maker.

Except you've lost money here.

Why keep pretending you're an expert when you're just an old scrub?

It's been verified that you suck at this.

2-5.

[Avante]

You can't compare the rank of positions. It's stupid.

Zach has more tackles than any linebacker currently in the HOF.

I'll give it a wash between the two and leave it at that.

Stupid is doing it any other way. That is how it's done dummy.

You know you're wrong so why play bull games?

You can rattle off a ton of backers before getting to Zack Thomas, you can't do that with TE's, it's Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Shannon Sharpe, Antonio Gates, or maybe Kellon Winslow and then Antonio Gates.

Watch this...

Butkus
Lawrence Taylor
Ray Nitsche
Ted Hendricks
Bobby Bell
Mike Singletary
Ray Lewis
Derrick Thomas
Patrick Willis
Willie Lanier
Jack Lambert
Jack Ham
Junior Seau

[Avante]

Except you've lost money here.

Why keep pretending you're an expert when you're just an old scrub?

It's been verified that you suck at this.

2-5.

Whatever

So you see Zack Thomas is not on a level with Antonio Gates...right?