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Kiwi is nothing but a c level role player that got lucky at the right time.
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Kiwi is nothing but a c level role player that got lucky at the right time.
What definitely doesn't build a contender is overpaying slightly above average players max money that take up a large % of the cap. With how management in the NBA is, you should absolutely fleece people for younger talent/draft picks if your star is a star that demands max money but has already proven that even with a good team, they can't make a CF.
I'm not talking about throwing max money at Gordon Hayward or Joe Johnson. I'm talking about throwing it at elite players like Westbrook, Paul, Love, Davis, etc.
Kawhi's camp has already indicated they're "confident" an extension will happen. Max extension is 5/90 whereas in FA he can get 4/70 from another team. Knowing the Spurs culture, and looking how TP just resigned well below max, I imagine they'll get Leonard for around 5/80. I highly doubt he'll become an RFA, it's just not the Spurs style and Kawhi isn't going to hold out for max money and stand out as the "selfish" one in the locker room.
The other flavor is to give him an opt-out for when the cap is expected to rise or when Tony's contract comes off the books and presumably TD & Manu are riding off into the sunset...
There's not too many more "etcs" in there tbh. Again, I refuse to believe you are worth the max if you can't even make the playoffs. Lebron is worth more than the max, so it's not apples-to-apples, but unless your team is going to have an inflated cap that ownership is ok with (like CLE will eventually if they stay the course) you aren't doing yourself any favors IMO.
Lebron's team in CLE was arguably just as bad as Love's and Love couldn't do anything. He barely would have made the playoffs in the East with his record last year and wouldn't have the last 2 years. My definition of max money again is can they take a pretty bad team and drag them to the playoffs / can they elevate a playoff team to a true contender. If the answer is no, I don't think they are worth it.
I think the guys you mentioned are probably close, but they are right on the line with most probably being a "no" to the two questions.
The Timberwolves were/are a horrible organization top to bottom outside of Love, so I'm not blaming him for finishing 10th in the West with the horrible coaching, front office, and team Love had around him. Here's a list of guys who I consider max worthy:
James
Durant
Westbrook
Love
Howard
Griffin
Davis
Paul
Anthony
Aldridge
Kind of 50/50 on Curry due to his injury history and Harden due to his complete lack of effort on defense.
WTF? First of all, Kobe is done. He's never going to be a good NBA player again. Second,
Of course there are special cir stances but I would not pay max to anyone on that list outside of the big two and maybe Davis. if max is $20 mill the other guys should get $18 at most. Problem is scrubs are getting $15 mill so of course that means those guys will get max. I am just saying I dont think they deserve it if the market was being set by competent owners/GM.
Im all for players getting money but they agreed to this ty CBA which has punished the uber-duber stars like Lebron and Durant and screws the budding ones like A.Davis.
Max contract are 4 or 5 years (depending on if they are re-signing, IIRC) over 5 years that 2 million = $10 million Id rather have a lessor star like KL at $18 plus a good role player or two than pay the max to most of the guys on that list.
If I could get KL, Mills and Green for 20 million (Spurs have those 3 for less) that is ideal. I get Spurs were smart and a bit lucky. But I would rather have Montae Ellis, Diaw and Pau for the 20 million is costs to sign Melo, Aldridge, and the like.
I may include Griffin in my above list (worth max) if he continues to develop at the same rate he did last year. due to health and age not sure I would include anyone else.
I just hope my team is taking the same approach. It seems like we chasing Dwight and Anthony types ...
and lol at young "stars" like Klay thompson wanting max money. Love the kid rooted for his did as a youngster. Have wanted him or Barnes on the Lakers. But, if he asked for max I would laugh in his face even if he is better than Parsons or Hayward. In what world does Klay deserve Lebron money?!
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But the market is set specifically to reward midlevel and above average players since the truly elite franchise players like Durant and James have an artificial ceiling on their salaries and since the owners have to pay out a certain percentage of basketball related income. You could never keep quality players under your strategy unless you're the 2004 Spurs and won two les with a young core and a first ballot HOF bigman you lucked into drafting, and can sell your prime players on taking big paycuts.
I admire Lebron. But I would say this is false. Not a great team by any account. But if you look at their team metrics especially on defense (since so many love stats here) I dont think you can say they were anywhere close to as bad as these Minny teams. Lets not deify James. Great player with a slim but fading chance at GOAT but no need to exaggerate.
Ellis is getting a less than market deal he doesnt have Duncan or that young core. Pau took less than market value. Green resigned even before duncan had a turn back the clock season last year. I think diaw re-signed because of the coach that utilizes him correctly more than Timmy un fact Im guessing if a player had influence it was probably Parker. Yall give duncan way too much credit.
If I let stars go and havent traded my picks away like the Lakers or Knicks I should bottom out a time or two to draft a Davis, Griffin if I am lucky but even a Lilard, curry or Klay if I am not. Key is drafting well, not overpaying scrubs and hanging on to stars when you acquire or develop one.
The model I would follow is what West/Mitch did after Magic we never tanked but we also didnt throw money at those kind of guys that did not deserve it either. We made do with christie, Eddie Jones Sedale threat Nick Van Exel until we could attract Shaq and Phil.
And you cant blame just the new CBA Jon Koncak, Arenas, RJ, Luke Walton all got overpaid in previous CBA's. I am saying it is NEVEr wise to pay max or near max money to players not deserving of that. I hated ALL of those deals at the time because not one of them not even Gil did I see justifying it. Even with new CBA if max is $20 mill you aint getting that unless you are top 5.
You're looking mighty ragged, reaching into the past in a vain attempt to remain relevant.
I don't remember the market being too hot for Ellis after he was such a disappointment in Milwaukee. And you draft a Davis or a Griffin if you're REALLY lucky. Lots of times you draft an Olowokandi, a Swift, a Tskitishvili, a Vesely, an Eddy Curry, or a Thabeet with those high picks. Even the Spurs front office wouldn't be immune, considering they were in love with Favors when he declared and on draft day 2001 were looking really hard at trading way up to pick Eddie Griffin allegedly.
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"KillaKobe81"
The irony here is damn near at saturation.
Lol it was my PSN, and xbox live handle. Created it when I was what 20, 21? even so how is that deifying him, please explain. Find a post where I said Kobe "he is so great that he was able to score 81 points while carrying scrubs like Smush, Luke etc. Take him off the team and they go 0-82." ...it's that type of exaggeration that irks me. I dont like the Kobe fans on LG that do that either tbh ...
You chose Kobe over the Lakers in your user name of your own free will (more than once it according to you).
Kobe worshipers are deathly afraid of Lebron's legacy.
You are correct and that is my point. I think a great move by Cubes. And My guess is even though he is overpaying for Parsons with rC coaching I think he and Nelson thinks it is worth it. I disagree and think Morey was wise not to overpay. My point is still I would rather gamble short-term on a disappointment like ellis or Swaggy P then to overpay Parson or even melo. You are right Bum you need a franchise level star to win I just refuse to pay all-stars like franchise guys. I would give Lebron, Durant, Davis and maybe Blake an open checkbook. Melo, Paul, Aldrdge, Westbrook, all have had a major surgey injury or have had multiple max contracts with no Finals appearances. That does not deserve max money imho.
I am not. Hope he becomes GOAT will enjoy the MJ/James debates that will ensue ...
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Why would I choose my team as PSN or Xbox handle? First game I played online was Madden and Kobe's 81 point game happened that same year. SO i chose that many of the Cowboy handles I tried wouldnt work and tbh we sucked anyways.
Feel free to think whatever you choose. I felt DPG made some great points and I agree with his case I just thought that was exaggeration. I hope James superfiends himself to at least two more les. It wont be 6 but it will be enough for witnesses to make a case for James over Jordan (and Kobe) it should be great stuff.
When you register here, you have this all new clean slate where you can choose your user name.
lol "Superfriends".... your posts drip with vinegar. Like Kobe didn't have his superfriends.... like Kevin Love is better than Shaq or Pau or Dwight.... like Kyrie Irving is better than Steve Nash or Gary Payton.
Missing the post season after being historically dismantled by the Spurs is humbling, is it not? All those Lakers flags have been rolled and stowed... now it's just basketball talk and "let's not deify Lebron".... and "I hate the Kobe worshipers".
lol
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