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    I explained the reason for the bold font to help me read though your long quotes and help separate our conversatios,

    Your last reply confirms what xmas1997 posted about you being a wanabee TRoll
    lol angry mouse always resorts to making it personal with some lame ad hominem.

    That's how we can tell you're angry.

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    I'll be really upset if I find out Avante is just a mouse troll

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    lol angry mouse always resorts to making it personal with some lame ad hominem.

    That's how we can tell you're angry.

    ok I'm angry I'm like the angry black man. I have steam coming out of my ears...


    WTF does that have to do with you avoiding the topic?

    ok we get it you spotted an angry old man...answer the dam questions already.

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    I'll be really upset if I find out Avante is just a mouse troll
    The real kicker will be when you find out that YOU'VE been just a mouse troll this whole time and just didn't know it.

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    The real kicker will be when you find out that YOU'VE been just a mouse troll this whole time and just didn't know it.

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    ok I'm angry I'm like the angry black man. I have steam coming out of my ears...


    WTF does that have to do with you avoiding the topic?

    ok we get it you spotted an angry old man...answer the dam questions already.
    I dealt directly with the issue I brought up.

    You just got angry and started calling names.

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    I dealt directly with the issue I brought up.

    You just got angry and started calling names.
    lol chump angry!


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    It's simple you don't get a







    From a random explosion of nothing..

    I don't care how many apes ed 2 million years ago...

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    It's simple you don't get a







    From a random explosion of nothing..

    I don't care how many apes ed 2 million years ago...
    what you care about is irrelevant

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    I'll be really upset if I find out Avante is just a mouse troll
    I seriously doubt mouse can do this.

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    So where are all those stages of evolution that got us todays Blue Jay?

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    So where are all those stages of evolution that got us todays Blue Jay?
    So you didn't read anything about evolution.

    OK.

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    I know. Which is why I am correcting his mistakes. The only way to get at the truth is to get at what is accurate and observed.

    Because the evidence so strongly supports evolution, the people who want to push the kinds of supernatural explanations that such holy books talk about, MUST lie about it, and distort what it says.[emphasis post-edit mine-RG]

    If they were honest about it, and understood it, they and their worldview would stand no chance, which is why they are so actively dishonest.

    Also remember, that Avante has been lied TO. He and Rob have been actively given false information, and really bad arguments.

    Once you realize that it isn't entirely his fault, it is easier to be patient about such things. He is simply shackled by his own ignorance, and that is easily changed.



    The shackles of course, are invisible, but I am simply trying to point out that they exist, and that he is holding the key.

    All he has to do is learn a little. The evidence, the REAL evidence, speaks for itself.


    So all those who believe some God created all this are 100% wrong and you know what really happened.....right?

    Google......Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?


    http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm
    Thank you.

    The link is a case in point, and exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. My brief run through of the electrical engineer critiquing the biological sciences counted 12 factual mistakes, and two logical fallacies before I stopped trying to identify them all.

    Coyne so easily goes from “guess” to “know.” Even if the fossil record showed that a particular reptile died before a particular bird, it doesn’t prove that the bird is a biological descendant of the reptile. It is an indisputable fact that Big Brown (the horse that won the 2008 Kentucky Derby) died in 2008, and President George Washington died in 1799. Does that prove that Big Brown was a biological descendant of George Washington? Of course not!
    This is what is known as a strawman logical fallacy. Coyne would say nothing of the sort.



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    To answer your question:
    Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?
    Because it gives gullible, lazy people quick links to post on message boards to make it seem like evolution is flawed. The only thing it really does though, is shows how completely ignorant creationists actually are about the evidence and theories.


    Do you think it was a good critique of Coyne's book?

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    I'll be really upset if I find out Avante is just a mouse troll
    He is not. Mouse is incapable of mimicking another persons language and style for longer than a few posts. Avante is at least much more functionally literate than mouse will ever be.

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    What are the odds of a .....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....resulting in all the things we see today that have to work in perfect concert to pull it off?

    What if we were 5000 milers closer to the sun? What if the Earth didn't rotate? What if there were no nutrients in the soil to grow things? What if it never rained?

    So all that came about because of a.....BIG BAND?....how can anyone with even half a brain believe something that far out there?

    yes all this took some Master Designer or maybe a group of them. Sure the Bible is man made and full of , but all this did not come about because of a giant explosion, talk about stupid, there it is.

    The egg and sperm ....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    The theory of evolution is not really a theory...go check remote islands in the middle of nowhere and you'll see that species on that island are different from other types on the mainlands. That fact cannot be argued with....

    But...I don't understand this...and it's prob the reason why I don't think humans evolved from apes/monkeys. Dinosaurs have been on the earth a lot longer than humans have. We know this...we find their fossils all over the world. We can Carbon date them back to 60+ million years ago. (give or take a few million years) How come we've never found any fossils of the "missing links" between humans and apes? If it takes millions of years to evole....there should be countless examples of these "links" between man and ape. I've done research (prob not enough) on these missing fossils and I've read some pretty intresting articles....I just haven't read anything plausible that can alleviate my concerns. I mean it's real simple...where are all the fossils at??

    Guess it's a government conspiracy....like everything else. But I will say this....ever seen Patrick Ewing? He's prob the closest thing to a "missing link" I can think of. So...it's possible.

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    HAHAHAHAHAHA...

    My new internet favs.

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    The theory of evolution is not really a theory...go check remote islands in the middle of nowhere and you'll see that species on that island are different from other types on the mainlands. That fact cannot be argued with....

    But...I don't understand this...and it's prob the reason why I don't think humans evolved from apes/monkeys. Dinosaurs have been on the earth a lot longer than humans have. We know this...we find their fossils all over the world. We can Carbon date them back to 60+ million years ago. (give or take a few million years) How come we've never found any fossils of the "missing links" between humans and apes? If it takes millions of years to evole....there should be countless examples of these "links" between man and ape. I've done research (prob not enough) on these missing fossils and I've read some pretty intresting articles....I just haven't read anything plausible that can alleviate my concerns. I mean it's real simple...where are all the fossils at??

    Guess it's a government conspiracy....like everything else. But I will say this....ever seen Patrick Ewing? He's prob the closest thing to a "missing link" I can think of. So...it's possible.
    You claim evolution happens, and you know humans are relatively new and other animals were here millions of years before us. So if you don't think we are descendants of other apes, what's your personal theory?

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    You claim evolution happens, and you know humans are relatively new and other animals were here millions of years before us. So if you don't think we are descendants of other apes, what's your personal theory?
    It's simple...I'm a christian. I believe God created man.......Ooooh Boy...here it comes now. But that doesn't mean that evolution isn't possible. I just believe man was created by God. Now a Galapagos tortoise is another deal altogether.

    BTW...why do I venture this far downstairs. I'm terrified of all you The Club/Political Forum people.

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    It's simple...I'm a christian. I believe God created man.......Ooooh Boy...here it comes now. But that doesn't mean that evolution isn't possible. I just believe man was created by God. Now a Galapagos tortoise is another deal altogether.

    BTW...why do I venture this far downstairs. I'm terrified of all you The Club/Political Forum people.
    I'm not here to ridicule but there are people like mouse who just troll and people like Avante who refuse to apply intelligence to conversation.

    I just don't see consistency of millions of years of evolution in other animals then... Bam. Randomly planting human beings. Just doesn't seem to fit. And that's not even accounting for genesis saying humans came what, a single day after the other animals?

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    I'm not here to ridicule but there are people like mouse who just troll and people like Avante who refuse to apply intelligence to conversation.

    I just don't see consistency of millions of years of evolution in other animals then... Bam. Randomly planting human beings. Just doesn't seem to fit. And that's not even accounting for genesis saying humans came what, a single day after the other animals?
    I'm not saying that you are trying to "ridicule" me or any other person who believes in creationism. So...if I came off that way I apologize. I'm sure you're aware...it's called "faith". Some people choose to believe in it...some people don't. I can't 100% say you're right or wrong....it's just simply what I choose to believe.

    But back to my initial point...Where are all the fossils at? Have you ever researched this topic???....it's got some pretty interesting explanations. Well I find most/all of them bizarre...but again that's just me.
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    There are lots of fossilized remains... habilis, erectus, etc. there are also many many species, primate and otherwise, that weren't fortunate enough to be fossilized for us to see. And the fossils we do uncover are usually isolated

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    I'll be really upset if I find out Avante is just a mouse troll
    The real kicker will be when you find out that YOU'VE been just a mouse troll this whole time and just didn't know it.

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    I'm not here to ridicule but there are people like mouse who just troll and people like Avante who refuse to apply intelligence to conversation.

    I just don't see consistency of millions of years of evolution in other animals then... Bam. Randomly planting human beings. Just doesn't seem to fit. And that's not even accounting for genesis saying humans came what, a single day after the other animals?
    Anyone intelligent is not going to buy....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....then perfection. Way too many things having to work together to pull this off, noway in it happened because of.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

    Put the arth 5000 miles further away from the sun, no what? Dirt with no nutrients in it....now what? The rotation of the earth, what if it didn't rotate? So a....BANG!!!!!!!!!....caused that rotation, how?

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    Anyone intelligent is not going to buy....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....then perfection.
    you wouldn't know

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