NBA: Kobe tweets out disgust on new CBA deal that makes owners more money

[Raven]

No - I've said the opposite. Just because they fail to utilize their leverage or any strategy in negotiations doesn't mean it isn't possible though.

that's different from saying they have any leverage in the matter. They don't, period. They may get what they want, but that's strictly out of owners not having a backbone(if it happens).

[resistanze]

that's different from saying they have any leverage in the matter. They don't, period. They may get what they want, but that's strictly out of owners not having a backbone(if it happens).

You make it sound like players haven't striked before in professional sports. Look what happened when the owners in the MLB tried to introduce a cap to reduce players' average salaries. The strike happened , and owners tried replacement players, but ratings and television deals collapsed, and the government had to step in. The entire strike was considered an epic fail for the owners as they never got their wish (they got a luxury tax which did nothing to limit player salaries). To think that the owners are just willing to eat losses because they have more money is silly.

[Clipper Nation]

at the idea of Kirby, who demanded and got an incredibly overpaid contract, going on strike and thinking that anyone other than his riders would feel any sympathy for him....

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

at the idea of Kirby, who demanded and got an incredibly overpaid contract, going on strike and thinking that anyone other than his riders would feel any sympathy for him....

Yea, imagine Nash going on strike and losing that final $9mil paycheck He needs that money for the kids

[Malik Hairston]

White people and their anti-players arguments, tbh..

[djohn2oo8]

Kobe rapes the lakers, then say he's underpaid with a straight face.

It was consensual. Mitch gave it away willingly

[Clipper Nation]

It was consensual. Mitch gave it away willingly

Mitch didn't have a choice, tbh.... Kirby had been telling the media all year that he wasn't going to take a significant pay cut and that he wasn't willing to negotiate on that....

[ambchang]

Did Kobe ever mouth off before 48.5?

[resistanze]

White people and their anti-players arguments, tbh..

tbh
I'm OK with getting financially ed as long as it's a white man in a suit
watched economy collapse without complaining in 2008
Paying for 2008 bailouts but complaining about fence hopping mexicans

[DMC]

Bill Gates makes billions while the guy doing the programming makes probably 100K a year. Even the high end guys aren't making Gates style money. It's not fair.

Kobe needs to buy a team, see how much of his profit he's willing to share. , he won't even share the ing ball.

[SupremeGuy]

All these players that talk about player salary should start their own league and we'll see how much they're willing to pay their players, tbh.

[SupremeGuy]

White people and their anti-players arguments, tbh..

Can't win the conversation, change the subject.

No one is anti-player as much as pro-logic.

Why don't the people that work at McDonalds make as much as the CEO?

[DMC]

No, you don't understand the argument. It can be whatever players are the stars at the moment (and it assumes support from most/all the players). Are you saying if the players decide to strike tomorrow, the NBA will just wait several years until the players get old to replace them? You know how stupid that would be financially? LeBron raised the value of the Heat by like 200 million.

People watch sports because of the players - you're on this forum now because of your favorite players, not the owners. How exactly do you replace a Lebron, if you don't mind telling me? Just wait it out?

Let's see a group of 7 foot Negro males form their own league and be even remotely as successful. When you come from a single parent family that lived off the taxpayer, you probably didn't invest a lot of money into the business that's paying you. You're a contractor, a beneficiary of genetics and some situational luck and there happens to be a venue where you can get paid for your "skills".

The owners take the financial risks, they reap the financial rewards and take the losses when they come. You don't see contracted players taking financial losses when teams have bad years. You didn't see Chris Paul lose his salary when New Orleans Hornets were up for auction.

Players have basically no risk other than injury, and that's accounted for in their contracts. Kobe hasn't worked really in 2 years. He's made over 50 million in those two non working years. So his face is used to sell things, he sold that right to the NBA.

Any successful organization can look at it's people as a reason, but that doesn't mean it's people should make the same money as the owners or major shareholders. If it wasn't for Lebron, it would be someone else. The streets are full of Negro males dribbling basketballs. Every young black kid wants to be in the NBA. The NBA doesn't want every young black kid. Supply vs demand...

[UZER]

Bill Gates makes billions while the guy doing the programming makes probably 100K a year. Even the high end guys aren't making Gates style money. It's not fair.

Kobe needs to buy a team, see how much of his profit he's willing to share. , he won't even share the ing ball.

Exactly

[resistanze]

Let's see a group of 7 foot Negro males form their own league and be even remotely as successful. When you come from a single parent family that lived off the taxpayer, you probably didn't invest a lot of money into the business that's paying you. You're a contractor, a beneficiary of genetics and some situational luck and there happens to be a venue where you can get paid for your "skills".

The owners take the financial risks, they reap the financial rewards and take the losses when they come. You don't see contracted players taking financial losses when teams have bad years. You didn't see Chris Paul lose his salary when New Orleans Hornets were up for auction.

Players have basically no risk other than injury, and that's accounted for in their contracts. Kobe hasn't worked really in 2 years. He's made over 50 million in those two non working years. So his face is used to sell things, he sold that right to the NBA.

Any successful organization can look at it's people as a reason, but that doesn't mean it's people should make the same money as the owners or major shareholders. If it wasn't for Lebron, it would be someone else. The streets are full of Negro males dribbling basketballs. Every young black kid wants to be in the NBA. The NBA doesn't want every young black kid. Supply vs demand...

The entire NBA a multi-billion dollar establishment revolving around selling seats, soft drinks, shoes and clothing around these 7 foot jigs. Whatever you want to call it, you and I watch games everyday to see these Negros jumping around in ways you and me cannot . There's no programmer at MS that can impact the company's value by $200 million, the dynamic is clearly different in professional sports. Another LeBron will come along eventually but he's not here now, so owners wouldn't go into a current CBA negotiation thinking they can just wait it out.

Players will never make as much as the owners, I don't think that was ever stated. That doesn't mean that players don't have leverage or the right to argue for much better deals (LOL Billy Hunter and Derek Fisher). I could bet you all these savvy businessmen you revere are completely cutthroat at the negotiation table, whether they 'deserved' what they desired or not. It's how you get ahead. It just amuses me the rage people have for these dumb athletes vs. to the White Knighting for owners when it comes to money, who would increase ticket prices and refuse to field a compe ive product without hesitation (see Toronto and hockey). Just because the players are too dumb to argue for a bigger piece of the pie doesn't mean they shouldn't.

[024]

Money comes from the fans, and that money has to go somewhere. It goes to either the owners or the players. In a perfect world, the owners and players would recognize that the fans are important too and reduce the price of tickets, food, jerseys, etc. instead of bickering who should make more money. But obviously they won't do that and they will never do that. So I would rather have the players make more money because they are the ones with the talent producing the entertainment.

Similar to record companies and artists. The artists are the ones with the talent and the record companies handle the business end. Why should the record companies keep the majority of the profits? If all the players in the NBA died tomorrow, professional basketball's quality will be dramatically reduced since there is no high caliber players to step in their place. The NBA will take a generation to recover and its popularity will plummet. On the other hand, if all the owners died tomorrow, there are plenty of businessmen to take their places and the NBA can go on without too much devastation.

[Raven]

Money comes from the fans, and that money has to go somewhere. It goes to either the owners or the players. In a perfect world, the owners and players would recognize that the fans are important too and reduce the price of tickets, food, jerseys, etc. instead of bickering who should make more money. But obviously they won't do that and they will never do that. So I would rather have the players make more money because they are the ones with the talent producing the entertainment.

Similar to record companies and artists. The artists are the ones with the talent and the record companies handle the business end. Why should the record companies keep the majority of the profits? If all the players in the NBA died tomorrow, professional basketball's quality will be dramatically reduced since there is no high caliber players to step in their place. The NBA will take a generation to recover and its popularity will plummet. On the other hand, if all the owners died tomorrow, there are plenty of businessmen to take their places and the NBA can go on without too much devastation.

a musician can sell his music elsewhere or use the internet or go to another company or whatever, a player can't go anywhere realistically.

[Cry Havoc]

There's no programmer at MS that can impact the company's value by $200 million

You massively underestimate the value of software. Notch built Minecraft by himself on his own time in his basement and just got paid $1,000,000,000 for it. More than almost NBA player will make in their lifetime.

[baseline bum]

Can't win the conversation, change the subject.

No one is anti-player as much as pro-logic.

Why don't the people that work at McDonalds make as much as the CEO?

Because it doesn't take any talent to cook the fries.

[baseline bum]

The entire NBA a multi-billion dollar establishment revolving around selling seats, soft drinks, shoes and clothing around these 7 foot jigs. Whatever you want to call it, you and I watch games everyday to see these Negros jumping around in ways you and me cannot . There's no programmer at MS that can impact the company's value by $200 million, the dynamic is clearly different in professional sports. Another LeBron will come along eventually but he's not here now, so owners wouldn't go into a current CBA negotiation thinking they can just wait it out.

Players will never make as much as the owners, I don't think that was ever stated. That doesn't mean that players don't have leverage or the right to argue for much better deals (LOL Billy Hunter and Derek Fisher). I could bet you all these savvy businessmen you revere are completely cutthroat at the negotiation table, whether they 'deserved' what they desired or not. It's how you get ahead. It just amuses me the rage people have for these dumb athletes vs. to the White Knighting for owners when it comes to money, who would increase ticket prices and refuse to field a compe ive product without hesitation (see Toronto and hockey). Just because the players are too dumb to argue for a bigger piece of the pie doesn't mean they shouldn't.

Cause the athletes are uneducated niggers.

[baseline bum]

No, he watches to root for his team(not individual players) and because he likes the sport.

I would never watch the NBA if the players were ty, like I never watch the NCAA. I would watch Euroleague if NBA owners got cheap and the talent went overseas.

[DMC]

The entire NBA a multi-billion dollar establishment revolving around selling seats, soft drinks, shoes and clothing around these 7 foot jigs. Whatever you want to call it, you and I watch games everyday to see these Negros jumping around in ways you and me cannot . There's no programmer at MS that can impact the company's value by $200 million, the dynamic is clearly different in professional sports. Another LeBron will come along eventually but he's not here now, so owners wouldn't go into a current CBA negotiation thinking they can just wait it out.

What's your point? The league is always going to have it's main money winner. The same is true for horse racing, but does the horse get the profits? No. If that horse didn't race, another horse would win. If Lebron wasn't in the NBA, he'd be in prison most likely or bagging groceries or selling shoes at the mall. He wouldn't be owning an NBA franchise. If Mark Cuban didn't own an NBA franchise, he'd own some other high money making outfit because he's smart enough to make himself rich. Meanwhile the 7 foot Negroes we watch can't even speak properly. They have one thing and one thing only and only the educated business man can put them in a position to be successful with that one thing. There are people who play hacky sack like a mother er, they aren't getting 40m a year. Why? Because no one gives a . Would you stop watching the NBA if a whole new group of Negroes came in and the current Negroes left?

Players will never make as much as the owners, I don't think that was ever stated. That doesn't mean that players don't have leverage or the right to argue for much better deals (LOL Billy Hunter and Derek Fisher). I could bet you all these savvy businessmen you revere are completely cutthroat at the negotiation table, whether they 'deserved' what they desired or not. It's how you get ahead. It just amuses me the rage people have for these dumb athletes vs. to the White Knighting for owners when it comes to money, who would increase ticket prices and refuse to field a compe ive product without hesitation (see Toronto and hockey). Just because the players are too dumb to argue for a bigger piece of the pie doesn't mean they shouldn't.

Players don't have leverage. That was illustrated plainly during the last CBA when Billy ing Hunter ass ed all of them (as did Fisher) by accepting a ty deal and pocketing a ton of money in the process.

Any time uneducated black men depend on an educated black man to have their backs, they get sold out to slave traders. History repeats itself. Rev Jackson, Sharpton, Obama... all ing over the black man and being rewarded highly for doing so.

[DMC]

The only way the players should make more is if they take more of the risk than they do. If they take a loss when the team does poorly financially, that would go a long way toward helping them make more when the team makes more. But no, they wait for a windfall and want a boost, but they want guaranteed salary at the same time.

[Chinook]

I would never watch the NBA if the players were ty, like I never watch the NCAA. I would watch Euroleague if NBA owners got cheap and the talent went overseas.

So would you watch the NBA if all current max players left? I probably would, since that would only mean Parker for the Spurs as of now.

[Chinook]

The only way the players should make more is if they take more of the risk than they do. If they take a loss when the team does poorly financially, that would go a long way toward helping them make more when the team makes more. But no, they wait for a windfall and want a boost, but they want guaranteed salary at the same time.

I don't see anything wrong with the players negotiating and seeing what happens. I don't see them striking over this, however. But there's no way they strike to end max salaries, which is probably the only thing that's really going to be in contention in the next CBA (as far as money goes).