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    I'm aware of this and this is the misconception I referred to. Nowhere does it claim to be a perfect circle. Not to mention, cubit was an informal unit of measurement at the time, so it was often an approximate distance rather than a standardized one
    And who wants to read about a guy making the sea 31.4159.... cubits long anyway? It's a book, not a schematic. Out of all the things to pick apart in the bible, this seems like one of the more benign ones.

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    My wife Judy is very bright, and she wouldn't be caught dead doing this messageboard trip. She'll...."what's the deal there, it would bore me".

    Hmmmm?

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    My wife Judy is very bright, and she wouldn't be caught dead doing this messageboard trip. She'll...."what's the deal there, it would bore me".

    Hmmmm?
    A) what are you suggesting?

    b) what is the standard for "bright"

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    A) what are you suggesting?

    b) what is the standard for "bright"
    Judy has her degree in Child Development, very smart lady, very together. Very well read.

    As we can see this place has a lot of obvious young and dumb posters here, most still....SEX!!!!!!!!!!!.....ha~~~ So why do those with the smarts/high IQ want to be around that?

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    My wife Judy is very bright, and she wouldn't be caught dead doing this messageboard trip. She'll...."what's the deal there, it would bore me".

    Hmmmm?


    Same way with my wife.


    But that fat maalox has no ing class or manners and she belongs in here with the rest of us s .





    What a lady.

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    Don't get what's hard to understand about that.
    Why do you think there are hundreds of god beliefs but only one atheism?
    Probably does.
    Are you saying atheists feel better about themselves than theists feel about themselves? Why would that be the case?

    Do you think that better feeling is the motive for belief, or is it a byproduct? If it's a byproduct, why refer to it as if it's a motive? How can you believe something just because it makes you feel better? Don't get into a wishy washy bull answer.

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    Same way with my wife.


    But that fat maalox has no ing class or manners and she belongs in here with the rest of us s .





    What a lady.
    I have three older sisters and Judy has a sister and none of them would ever do this.

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    I have three older sisters and Judy has a sister and none of them would ever do this.

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    And who wants to read about a guy making the sea 31.4159.... cubits long anyway? It's a book, not a schematic. Out of all the things to pick apart in the bible, this seems like one of the more benign ones.
    Your response is a common "have your cake and eat it too" type. If it's just a book, why treat it like it's more?

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    Judy has her degree in Child Development, very smart lady, very together. Very well read.

    As we can see this place has a lot of obvious young and dumb posters here, most still....SEX!!!!!!!!!!!.....ha~~~ So why do those with the smarts/high IQ want to be around that?
    That's cool. But if having a BA/BS is your baseline for being bright, than a lot of us here qualify as well. It wouldn't surprise anybody if a woman in her 60's/70's isn't interested in online message boards. Of course there are morons here as well but this is primarily a sports forum, not an intellectual one

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    That's cool. But if having a BA/BS is your baseline for being bright, than a lot of us here qualify as well. It wouldn't surprise anybody if a woman in her 60's/70's isn't interested in online message boards. Of course there are morons here as well but this is primarily a sports forum, not an intellectual one
    Judy is in her early 50's, and extremely bright using any barometer you need. An example would be if you ran all this evoution/BIG BANG her way she'd..."fine with me, why would I care?"

    This forum isn't about sport talk.

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    Why do you think there are hundreds of god beliefs but only one atheism?
    I don't know where you're going with that. You resist the view that atheism is a belief system (and I agree with you on that). So in that way, there's really only one theism, and one atheism. Now, atheists don't have all the same world-views, and some even have their own religions. But they take one stance on the issue, while the theists take the other stance.

    Are you saying atheists feel better about themselves than theists feel about themselves? Why would that be the case?
    I didn't say that. I said that people who are smart tend to want to be atheists, because that path is more rewarding to smart people. Not to mention there is a lot of peer pressure toward atheism if one has atheistic friends. Groupthink is not reserved for theists. Also, smart people tend to believe in empiricism, so they are sympathetic toward the main atheist argument. Comparatively few look at the science behind philosophy, which is where I think most atheists go astray.

    Do you think that better feeling is the motive for belief, or is it a byproduct? If it's a byproduct, why refer to it as if it's a motive? How can you believe something just because it makes you feel better? Don't get into a wishy washy bull answer.
    I do think feeling is a motivation for directing thought, which in turn leads to what type of beliefs one forms. You brought the same thing up when talking to xellos, I believe. Just as you may think theists don't leave their mental caves because they are afraid of the consequences laid out in their religions, I think atheists don't get all the way out, because they like the "freedom" atheism grants them and don't wish to return to theism, especially the non-religious kind that has no benefits for believing in it.

    Your response is a common "have your cake and eat it too" type. If it's just a book, why treat it like it's more?
    First, I treat the bible as a book. You know that.

    Second, some religious folks treat it as a moral metaphor, which means most of the text doesn't matter. I doubt the actual dimensions of the sea were important to the moral of the story.

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    Judy is in her early 50's, and extremely bright using any barometer you need. An example would be if you ran all this evoution/BIG BANG her way she'd..."fine with me, why would I care?"

    This forum isn't about sport talk.
    That's fine. She's apathetic towards the science vs religion stuff. Some people are passionate about sports, some people just don't care. Some people go crazy over politics, some are less emotionally invested. Some people are fascinated by science and others aren't. I don't think intelligence necessarily correlates to one's passion or lack thereof in a certain branch of conversation.

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    That's fine. She's apathetic towards the science vs religion stuff. Some people are passionate about sports, some people just don't care. Some people go crazy over politics, some are less emotionally invested. Some people are fascinated by science and others aren't. I don't think intelligence necessarily correlates to one's passion or lack thereof in a certain branch of conversation.
    Dude, why do you work so damn hard at trying to paint everyone as being dumb? Judy owns her own business, has a college degree, extremely well read and bright....ok? And unlike you she'd never ever get in any of these silly debates. She'd..."whatever you need to make you happy is cool with me".

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    Dude, why do you work so damn hard at trying to paint everyone as being dumb? Judy owns her own business, has a college degree, extremely well read and bright....ok? And unlike you she'd never ever get in any of these silly debates. She'd..."whatever you need to make you happy is cool with me".
    So you're saying you're an idiot.

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    Dude, why do you work so damn hard at trying to paint everyone as being dumb? Judy owns her own business, has a college degree, extremely well read and bright....ok? And unlike you she'd never ever get in any of these silly debates. She'd..."whatever you need to make you happy is cool with me".
    woah woah woah... where did i ever call judy dumb? heck in the post you quoted i didn't call anybody dumb or even infer it. you need to stop putting words in my mouth, its something you do pretty frequently.

    im just saying being more or less passionate about something doesn't make anybody more or less intelligent. judy is educated, well read, and doesn't get into these sorts of debates. i'm also educated and well read, but i DO get into these debates. so it doesn't really matter

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    I agree, it really doesn't matter.

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    The Bible also says that the Earth is the center of the solar system, that the universe was created in 7 days, that the Earth is 6,000 years old, that all the living creatures on Earth were created as is (with no new life form spontaneously coming into being through evolution by natural selection), and that the value of pi is 3.00. If you seriously believe that the Bible is a repository of comprehensive scientific and historical knowledge, then I'm very sorry tell you that you've been thoroughly misled.

    Besides, let me ask you this: even if we were to assume that God does exist, why are you so confident that it is the God of the Bible? Why don't you think it's Allah, or Yahweh, or Brahman, or Buddha? Does it maybe have to do with the fact that you happen to have been born into a Christian family in a Christian-dominated country? If so, isn't it the epitome of arrogance to declare your religion the one true religion (and by extension, all other religions mistaken), simply due to the accident of birth?
    I don't recall ever stating a certain religion is greater than another. I also never said it was the God of the Bible. I used the Bible because it is simply the most common where I am from. Who am I to say they are wrong or right to begin with?

    You are completely missing my point and are too busy trying to debunk the Bible without even trying to understand what I am explaining. Let me try another way. Imagine this. You were to go back in time at the time of Genesis with a machine gun that never ran out of ammunition. You would easily be the most powerful person on the planet and could possibly be declared a "god". Simply because the weapon you are wielding is unknown. That is the difference between the times. Since those times, society and culture have become more refined and actions based upon the LITERAL meaning of the Bible are considered archaic and barbaric. If you are taking what the Bible states in a LITERAL sense, you are already ing up and have no basis to quote anything it says. You are using outdated customs, rituals and knowledge of an outdated culture to base your entire argument on. By bringing up the story of Sodom and Gomorrah I was attempting to show you the difference in the knowledge between our times and how history has indeed been recorded within the Bible. It doesn't mean that the Bible itself is without LITERAL fallacy. How would a person of that time explain your machine gun? They would probably call it a sword that spits out fire and flame and harnesses the power of thunder. You should be grateful that people do not take the Bible LITERALLY anymore, otherwise you would have been stoned for blasphemy. People are smarter, religious or not, than you give them credit for.
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    No...

    Atheists aren't basing their stance on faith; they're basing it on convention. They don't have faith god doesn't exist and that science will provide all the answers. They simply dismiss the prudence of believing in god and push for the continuation of a scientific pursuit of knowledge. Science is a convention by which we test beliefs and form consensus, and it works really well. But it doesn't give truths to the universe any more than a calculator gives truths about math. You're right that some people like Uriel put too much faith in the current scientific view, but that's not the true nature of the atheist constructive.

    Science allows humans to find out answers for themselves. As far as we know, simply praying to god doesn't do the same thing. Science isn't a theistic/atheistic thing. Don't concede it to them.
    Well said.

    I will say that prayer does have an effect on people. Prayer inspires the courage to face the unknown.

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    reading this thread from the start and holy ing ..Fuzzy and Uriel's posts can give somebody cancer, tbh..someone give those worthless s some radiation treatment..
    Urinel is proof positive that lib s don't actually have higher IQ's

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    Cute..liberals usually go with one of the two options when on:

    1.) Claim logical fallacy
    2.) Or, go ad hominem on a poster that s on their views and takes

    As expected, tbh..

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    Also, you don't know what a ing ad homenim is..I addressed your shill views, they can give somebody cancer when being fronted..

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    i like how uriel committed the ad hominem fallacy in the same post where he called the very same thing out

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    Damn it, that's not what an ad hominem fallacy is. It's when a person attacks an opponent personally IN ORDER TO attack their points. Like if you made a statement, "You're a christian, so I'm not going to take your argument against evolution seriously," then that's an ad homenim fallacy. Simply insulting someone is not a fallacy at all.

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