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Mainly because:What star is coming here? Spurs couldn't even land big names after winning the le.
C) We didn't have a lot of money to offer a big name. We had the MLE and the BAE, IIRC.
You sign whichever ones you can and build through the draft. What else can you do? You can extend him now and be even more sure you can't get a FA to sign here as you'll have 8 million less cap space to offer. Then buy your tickets to watch Kawhi be the leading scorer on a bad team for several years, maybe.
Mainly because:What star is coming here? Spurs couldn't even land big names after winning the le.
C) We didn't have a lot of money to offer a big name. We had the MLE and the BAE, IIRC.
Well, he did dunk on Abaka once. Franchise player.
Kawhis cap hold isn't his qualifying offer, it's 250% of his previous salary which is around $7m
Well, less cap space. 24/25M
20 for a max FA and Danny won't sign a 4/5M deal again
I don't know that all of that salary applies to the cap. I will take your word for it. Tax line is at around 77, this year and should be much higher next year. With Bird rights and cap holds, etc, I am, again, not so confident they won't have some wiggle room. Although, I never said that they would necessarily be able to afford another max player, just that they are doing their best to keep as much space available next year as possible.
Also, as a one off year to rebuild, etc, I would not preclude them from paying a tax if they found the right player and situation. And, there might be a difference between a 1 million dollar tax and a 7 million dollar tax, etc, being a yes vs a no from Holt, et al. You act as if no FA has ever come, and/or The Spurs have never been willing to pay the tax.
http://data.shamsports.com/media/TAX2013final.jpg
But, they've paid tax before, and when they have money to spend, you never know what free agent would be willing to come because we usually DON'T have money to spend. When Manu and/or Tim retire, their fan base will expect them to fill those holes within reason. Someone will come. Maybe they get railroaded with another Richard Jefferson, or maybe this FA works out a little better. Who knows.
Last edited by littlecoyotecoin; 10-27-2014 at 04:50 PM.
There is very little question KL is worth a max contract. Just look at Parsons. Also if you lock him in now before the TV deal you are probably getting a bargain. LeBron delayed his max deal because he will get more money two years from now in his last big contract.
KL has no obligations to take a pay cut at such a young age and he already paid Spurs in full with three break out games to turn a 1-1 series and what looked like a Utah Jazz 1998 situation into a 4-1 blow out and the best sports story ever. He completely canceled out LeBron on both ends of the floor, in the NBA finals when it mattered, how many players can do this, Manu and Parker included, in their primes?
And how do you know he can not get better? His first three seasons in the NBA have been WC finals and two finals. He experienced more than even Duncan did at the same age. Until Pop gives him consistent minutes and play calling, his stats will not look pretty against other max players, but it doesn't mean he will take less money.
It is not about the money, it is about respect. Remember in the championship video, the first thing KL said to Pop was "thank you for trusting me, OMG!". And the way he lost his father, trust is very important.
And I will always be grateful to him no matter what happens, because he gave Duncan's career a happy ending.
You're right about retirements.
If Tim/Manu stay next year and the Spurs don't extend Kawhi make it worse, they just annoyed him for nothing
You can't on one hand look at the Spurs history of taking care of their guys and even cite how the Spurs showed faith in him and gave him his shot, then say it's about respect.
True. Pretty sure Gasol and Aldridge will be staying put, I don't think theres even a max guy going to be available. Lets be honest though, if we've got a shot at Gasol or Aldridge we'd let Danny walk in order to sign them, you can't pass on a star just to bring back a role player.
If Timmy and Manu come back for one more after this year, I'd happily see us offer Amare a $10m/1yr deal. That lets us bring back Danny and Timmy, give Manu the Room Exception ($2.5m) then extend Kawhi. We then have big cap space for an excellent 2016 free agency class.
No one has said he can't get better. Just about everyone agrees he should get a max offer. Just about everyone in here loves Kawhi.
Most of those things are pretty much givens. The rest of the discussion is a little more nuanced than that.
Meh... sign and trade
just pay the man
I'm really getting sick of hearing that Kawhi is a max player. He's a good role player playing for a great team. I'm glad the Spurs scoffed at the notion of maxing him, and I hope they always do. Kawhi just isn't and never will be a superstar. And right now he's the 4th or 5th option for the Spurs on a nightly basis. Seriously, you can't give someone 20 mil per year to just stand in the corner and wait for Tony Parker to penetrate and kick out to you for an open 3.
Seriously, who does Kawhi (or more accurately, his agent) think he is? He's a 8-12 mil/year player max.
Lol. Worst take of all time.
Last edited by RD2191; 10-27-2014 at 05:45 PM.
as much as i love kawhi as a player, this isnt the spurs way...
In a perfect World, you're right. But, we're living in a World where Parsons and Hayward got the max so Kawhi will undoubtedly want the same.
I'm convinced that poster is a troll.
I hope the rest of the NBA feels the way you do. Unfortunately, they'll probably disagree with you. Pop has brought him along slowly. We had the luxury of doing that. He's been somewhat sheltered and protected under the umbrella of the big three. But, after winning the FMVP, and all sorts of inferior players getting over-payed, his value has sky-rocketed. He would have put up bigger numbers on a team that needed him to do so.
Look at the free agency class, assuming Aldridge and Gasol don't move it's tragically bad. There's no point in giving someone multiple years as it would hamstring us for the 2016 class, and even then there isn't anyone worth it. Bring him off the bench against the other teams backups, playing pick and roll with Manu would be great to watch.
I'd rather just stand pat than sign him, much less for that money. Just because it's there doesn't mean you should spend money.
It's ridiculous to have to suc b to giving Kawhi a ridiculous and undeserved max contract just because two other bad organizations chose to do so for their scrub-ass players. I remember when other teams used to laugh at teams like the Knicks when they handed out horrible contracts left and right. Seriously, what has the NBA come to? If a few teams are run badly and hand out terrible contracts, that shouldn't mean the rest of the NBA has to suc b to the market pressure and follow suit. If they all did that, you'd have 30 badly run organizations.
I agree, that winning percentage was not at all because Leonard was playing with the Big Three or because he played for Pop. He certainly deserves a hug contract after winning FMVP. All the hugs in the world for this man right here.
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