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    I think I could take Havlicek 1-on-1 tbh.

    doesn't even have a left hand and when he gets courageous and attempts his weak ass, one-handed crossover he almost falls over. His vertical looks to be about 10" too.
    Hondo was pretty legit. Crafty player with a nice all-around game and the best perimeter defender in his time. Also, his consistency from the Russell era to the post-expansion era is pretty impressive.

    Even though his game looks rough by modern standards, he'd still smoke any of us

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    Still though, Kobe in Russell's era? Colorado would have lynched his black ass.

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    Would Steve Nash be considered an above average defender in 1987?

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    '90s basketball
    One player heroballs and chucks while everyone stands around and watches
    Hard fouling was considered defense
    40-39 scores
    Nearly as boring as povertyball
    Nostalgia gots actually wanting the NBA to regress back to that garbage

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    Wilt's head wasn't in the game given his lifestyle and his team was fairly weak compared to Russell's.

    His accomplishments are frequently derided and dismissed as a function of his era, but let's be serious. He averaged 50 ppt in a season, 22 rig in his career and is the only Center in history to lead to league in assists



    You put Wilt Chamberlain into the modern game, with modern workout routines and modern strategies, and he will still be the best big man on the floor today.
    You put him in the modern game and he has 14 kids and HIV.

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    '90s basketball
    One player heroballs and chucks while everyone stands around and watches
    Hard fouling was considered defense
    40-39 scores
    Nearly as boring as povertyball
    Nostalgia gots actually wanting the NBA to regress back to that garbage
    Knicks-Heat
    Miss the days of Jordan's Bulls scoring 86 points
    Fratello Cavs
    Those Derek Harper forearm hand checks
    Keepin it real

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    chimp ballers are overrated, doesnt mean on every possession u going to use ur full chimp potential chasing a stat

    chimp abilities is one thing, but bball is also about fundamentals and positioning if u have good size at the position ur playin at...

    u telling me u cant block out wilt to chase a rebound? its not like the rules will allow wilt to jump over ur back to grab a rebound

    lol 70-80s = playing against white midgets

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    Would Steve Nash be considered an above average defender in 1987?
    Nah. He'd get roasted.

    Zeke, Fat Lever, Sleepy Floyd, our old friend Terry Porter would kill him.

    I think 80's ball was at a higher level than 90's ball.

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    Nah. He'd get roasted.

    Zeke, Fat Lever, Sleepy Floyd, our old friend Terry Porter would kill him.

    I think 80's ball was at a higher level than 90's ball.
    It was and this thread exaggerates much.

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    So when exactly did the gene mutation happened that allowed today's athletes to be so much more athletic and intelligent that they can play in this era?

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    Bill Russell dominating 6'8 white stiffs
    could you imagine him going up against 6'10 Chris Bosh, with lightning quick first step, pivot and spin move dribble attack and the ability to hit 3's
    yep, he'd let bosh 0 ppg

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    Maurice Richard, Gordie Howe, Bobby Orr, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Ty Cobb, Chamberlain, Bill Russell, O-Robertson, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Brown
    robertson is probably the best example of a player hurt by the age he played in, he'd be unguardable today.. well he was back then too..

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    Chimps today may be more athletic , but their basketbll IQ is just

    Heck I'm not even sure they are better athletes

    Skinny Kareem Abdul Jabbal was a freak of nature, he had nasty elbows , was durable, and he ran the floor well even in his late 30s

    Dwight cant run like him and will never score 25 pts at age 37

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    Miss the days of Jordan's Bulls scoring 86 points
    Fratello Cavs
    Those Derek Harper forearm hand checks
    Keepin it real
    Bring back hand-checking! (even though Stern banned it in the mid-'90s to help DK win)
    Never mind advanced defensive schemes like the strong-side! You're not playing defense unless you just hack and hard-foul people!
    Passing the ball is for pussies... it's much more fun to watch one player isolate and brick long 2's!
    Players are so mentally weak these days - if only they were as clutch as Karl PedoMalone and John Starks

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    Still though, Kobe in Russell's era? Colorado would have lynched his black ass.

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    Man, this is one gay ass circle jerk. Seriously do you guys believe the re ed coming out of your mouth or are you purposely just quoting each other to get the pages up.

    DeAndre Jordan averaging 50/40?

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    Tbh, I don't understand how Wilt didn't flat out dominate more than he did. He was supposedly the greatest athlete to ever play in the NBA, but in his 50 ppg season that same year Elgin Baylor averaged 38. I know 12 ppg is still a huge gap, but look at Elgin then look at Wilt

    Him and the Admiral were cut from the same cloth tbh
    Because Elgin is one of the greatest 25 ever and Wilt wasn't like Cousins, he was a tram player. You ever looked at his assists?

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    Bring back hand-checking! (even though Stern banned it in the mid-'90s to help DK win)
    Never mind advanced defensive schemes like the strong-side! You're not playing defense unless you just hack and hard-foul people!
    Passing the ball is for pussies... it's much more fun to watch one player isolate and brick long 2's!
    Players are so mentally weak these days - if only they were as clutch as Karl PedoMalone and John Starks
    I'd rather watch Blake and Harden flop their way to 15-17 ft per game
    nvm defense, just give them open lanes to the basket
    it's more fun to watch Blake and CP3 alley oop all night
    I wish CP3/Blake wasn't the next obvious Karl/John

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    Man, this is one gay ass circle jerk. Seriously do you guys believe the re ed coming out of your mouth or are you purposely just quoting each other to get the pages up.

    DeAndre Jordan averaging 50/40?
    Which take is the dumbest?

    a.) "Panthers will win the divison easily"
    b.) " Newton > Joe Montana"
    c.) "LeBron = T-Mac"
    d.) " Newton should be MVP"
    e.) All of the above

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    Chimps today may be more athletic , but their basketbll IQ is just

    Heck I'm not even sure they are better athletes

    Skinny Kareem Abdul Jabbal was a freak of nature, he had nasty elbows , was durable, and he ran the floor well even in his late 30s

    Dwight cant run like him and will never score 25 pts at age 37
    This ...
    I would say you can make a case at a similar size ...KL is a better ball handler defender and all around athlete than James Worthy. He also is a better deep shooter. But As much as I love KL (and outside of Anthony Davis he is my favorite young player) I would take James worthy even with his lack of advanced scouting reports, access to data and less athleticism. James mid range, quick game base line spins up and unders have few matches in today's NBA. Worthy might not be as dominant in 2014 but a great player is a great player.

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    So when exactly did the gene mutation happened that allowed today's athletes to be so much more athletic and intelligent that they can play in this era?
    When the league started letting guys use PEDs so they could get the next superstar

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    I'm not sure I'd take Babe Ruth on my playoff roster over an emergency bullpen pitcher. And I probably wouldn't start Oscar Robertson over Monta. He'd be neck and neck with Devin Harris.
    Last edited by AlexJones; 11-12-2014 at 11:08 AM.

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    Wilt was an athletic monster with a great turn around bank shot tbh, I think a lot of the old players would suck balls in todays game but Wilt isn't one of them imho

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    I think I could take Havlicek 1-on-1 tbh.

    doesn't even have a left hand and when he gets courageous and attempts his weak ass, one-handed crossover he almost falls over. His vertical looks to be about 10" too.
    you would probably drop a hammer on Jerry West too. I'm thinking 11-4.

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    Nah. He'd get roasted.

    Zeke, Fat Lever, Sleepy Floyd, our old friend Terry Porter would kill him.

    I think 80's ball was at a higher level than 90's ball.
    No one in the 80s played defense, though. Even in the Finals you had guys running to the FT line extended and taking uncontested 15 footers with no pressure at all.

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