***** The Official 2014 Avante Football Thread *****

[Avante]

He spent most of his career as a wingback, not a WR. He spent his senior season as a tailback. This isn't even disputable which is why this is so pathetic

I didn't even realize he played runningback in high school too, it makes sense though. You don't waste that kind of athleticism on a high school team on a guy who'll only touch the ball on a quarter of the possessions at WR. Especially not back then.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/classic/bio/news/story?page=Flowers_Richmond


But tbh, I'll switch my position on this. Even though a Wingback is more RB than WR, (hence the back in the name, and playing in the slot versus out wide...) he wasn't a full time tailback until his senior season. He had already slowed down by then because of injury, and I don't know how his senior season track feats match up on the GWRBOAT (greatest white runningbacks of all time) list.

Smart move backing off....fastest white running back. He's not!

There have been four that were faster than Flowers, go ahead shorty.....who?

Here's one of them winning the Olympic gold medal in the 100m

[Avante]

Here we go, the fastest "white" running backs ever.

Lindy Remigino won the Olympic 100m in 1952 he was a HS running back.

Marty Glickman was a 1936 Olympian and a running back while at Syracuse.

Glen "Mr.Outside"*** Davis Army was one of the nations top sprinters, he'd win the Heisman and played with the Lions.

9.3 SMU sprinter John Roderick was a running back but once on the Dolphins was switched to receiver, didn't work.

Heisman winner Billy Cannon out of LSU was a 9.5 sprinter, played with the Oilers/Raiders.

Tim Dwight who starred with the Falcons was a WR/RB while at Iowa, a 10.3 guy who would win the Big10 100m.

*** While at Army Davis played along side a big fullback Doc Blanchard. They were the original thunder n' lightnin' duo as far as the college game goes (Bronco Nagurski & Red "The Galloping Ghost" Grange with the Bears the first) Blanchard would also win a Heisman.

Hugh "The King" McElhenny (Washington/Niners) was a stud hurdler in HS and obviously had great speed.

"Jaguar" Jon Arnett (USC/Rams)was a long jumper who ran on the 4x1 team, could really motor.


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Right now Oregon has a white receiver named Devon Allen, he won the 110 at not just the NCAA but our Nationals, he's a 13.16 guy which is "world class". He'd be in with another Oregon hurdler/receiver Jerry Tarr, he ran on a WR 4x1 team. Flowers belongs here also.

[Avante]

Speaking of white players.

All time white triplets by team

Niners...Joe Montana/Ken Williard/Dwight Clark
Rams....Kurt Warner/"Jaguar" Jon Arnett/"Crazy Legs" Elroy Hirsch
Seahawks...Dave Kreig/Dan Doornik/Steve Largent
Cards...Jim Hart/John David Crow/Bobby Joe Conrad
Packers...Aaron Rodgers/Jim Taylor/Don Hutson
Bears...Sid Luckman/Rick Casares/Johnny Morris
Vikings...Fran Tarkenton/Tommy Mason/Joe Senser
Lions...Matt Stafford/Steve Owens/Terry Barr
Cowboys....Troy Aikman/Walt Garrison/Lance Rentzel
Eagles...Norm Van Brocklin/Tom Woodeshick/Tommy McDonald
Giants....Eli Manning/Frank Gifford/Del Shofner
Redskins...Sonny Jurgenson/John Riggins/Jerry Smith
Saints...Drew Brees/Gil Fenerty/Dan Abramoweicz
Panthers...Jake Delhomme/none/Wesley Walls
Falcons...Matt Ryan/none/none
Buc's...Vinny Testerverde/Mike Alstott/none
Raiders...Kenny Stabler/Mark Van Eeghan/Fred Biletnikoff
Chargers...Dan Fouts/ ie Post/Lance Alworth
Chiefs...Len Dawson/Ed Podolak/Fred Arbansas
Broncos...John Elway/Rob Lytle/Steve Watson
Browns...Otto Graham/none/Mac Speedie
Bengals...Ken Anderson/none/Chris Collinsworth
Steelers...Big Ben/Rocky Blier/Buddy Dial
Ravens....Joe Flacco/none/none
Patriots...Tom Brady/Craig James/Gino Cappeletti
Jets...Joe Namath/Mark Smolinski/Don Maynard
Bills...Jim Kelly/Wray Carlton/Bill Miller
Dolphins...Dan Marino/Larry Csonka/Howard Twilley
Colts...Peyton Manning/Tom Matte/Ray Berry
Texans...none~~~~~~~~
Oilers/ ans...George Blanda/Hoyle Granger/Charley Hennighan
Jags...Mark Brunell/none/none

The All Time All White Triplets

Joe Montana...John Riggins...Lance Alworth

[Avante]

Power Ranking

AFC

1.Pats
2.Broncos
3.Colts
4.Steelers
5.Chiefs
6.Browns
7.Chargers
8.Ravens
9.Dolphins
10.Bengals
11.Bills
12.Texans
13. ans
14.Jets
15.Jags
16.Raiders

NFC

1.Cards
2.Eagles
3.Packers
4.Lions
5.Cowboys
6.Seahawks
7.Saints
8.Niners
9.Redskins
10.Vikings
11.Giants
12.Rams
13.Falcons
14.Bears
15.Panthers
16.Buc's

[Avante]

Ok, week 11

36-29 plus $1210

110 to win 100

Cleveland -3...no Arian Foster, no QB for Houston
NO - 7....won't lose two home games in a row.
GB - 6...Packers at home laying less than a TD?
NE + 3....Belichick/Brady coming off a bye.
Ariz-2....Lions 0-7 ATS last 7 vs Cards. Last season losing 21-24. 2012 losing 10-38.
Atl +2....gut feeling
Wash-7...gut feeling

So I have....Drew Brees,Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady in my corner. The team with the best record and a Browns team that's won 5 of 6 vs a Texan team that has won 2 of last 6.

Will be playing Pitt-6 on MNF just not sure for how much, yet.

Here I have the best MNF team in the league vs one of the leagues weaklings.

I realize ya lay in wait for me to have a bad week, haha!!!!!!!! Since week one...36-26 and I think by now it's pretty obvious I'm not going to be losing any $$$$$, remember I started off -330.

I do see both Denver and Chargers winning but simply too many points to lay in these "spots". That being Denver back to back on the road, Raiders 7-3ATS last 10 vs Chargers.

Yep, fun, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!

[leemajors]

Explain your gut feelings in an overly verbose historical context

[Avante]

Explain your gut feelings in an overly verbose historical context

Ok...

The trends have the Panthers in this "spot". I just have a feeling they are falling apart as a team. Hence...gut feeling. The Falcons are still in the mix in that weak ass division

The Redskins at home coming off a bye vs a weakass Buc's team, why not pull the trigger?

I like to play "one score" games if I can. I look for those plays first.

[benefactor]

Cleveland -3...no Arian Foster, no QB for Houston

hahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Thanks

[spurraider21]

I like to play "one score" games if I can. I look for those plays first.

why did you put one score in quotes, as if it was some ambiguous statement?

[spurraider21]

hit Atlanta, missed on New Orleans, Washington, Cleveland

[benefactor]

hit Atlanta, missed on New Orleans, Washington, Cleveland

It's definitely getting easier.

[Avante]

It's definitely getting easier.

And then preceded to hit with GB, Arizona and NE.

Up $ 1280 little fella, 40-32. Have hit 12 of last 17, yep....it get easier.

What an idiot~!

It really isn't working is it gang, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's been 11 weeks now and I haven't lost a dime, averaging over 100 bucks a week in winnings, while not great it's tax free, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

While Riddley was pretty good this Jonas Gray is a stud.

The Pats not really known for great backs, their all time rushing leader....Sam "Bam" Cunningham*** (brother of Randall)

Their first good back back in the Boston Patriot days was Larry Garron out of Western Illiois, a speed guy. Big Jim Nance a former Syracuse wrestler was their first 1000 yard rusher. They did have Curtis Martin and Corey Dillon but they did their best work on other teams.

***Story goes when Alabama came out west (with their alll white team) to play USC, Cunningham ran all over them. Bear Bryant the Bama coach knew right then things had to change in the south if they were going to compete on the national stage.

[spurraider21]

While Riddley was pretty good this Jonas Gray is a stud.

The Pats not really known for great backs, their all time rushing leader....Sam "Bam" Cunningham*** (brother of Randall)

Their firsdt good back back in the Boston Patriot days was Larry Garron out of Western Illiois, a speed guy. Big Jim Nance a former Syracuse wrestler was their first 1000 yard rusher. They did have Curtis Martin and Corey Dillon but they did their best work on other teams.

***Story goes when Alabama came out west (with their alll white team) to play USC, Cunningham ran all over them. Bear Bryant the Bama coach knew right then things had to change in the south if they were going to compete on the national stage.

In the Belichick era they haven't really had full time feature backs... they've done a good job with spreading the wealth there. I remember in their early superbowl run Antoine Smith was a big factor but never piled on huge yards. Kevin Faulk was there for ages. Corey Dillon had a good run, Laurence Maroney was a failed experiment. But they've done well to shuffle around and get productivity when needed.

[Avante]

In the Belichick era they haven't really had full time feature backs... they've done a good job with spreading the wealth there. I remember in their early superbowl run Antoine Smith was a big factor but never piled on huge yards. Kevin Faulk was there for ages. Corey Dillon had a good run, Laurence Maroney was a failed experiment. But they've done well to shuffle around and get productivity when needed.

They have never replaced Kevin Faulk , talk about a chain mover.

Most teams have had some "great" back, like you alluded to that's not really what they do. Until tonight that is, haha!!!!!

Jim Nance was a stud but that was back in the old AFL days.

[Emily Rose]

They have never replaced Kevin Faulk , talk about a chain mover.

Most teams have had some "great" back, like you alluded to that's not really what they do. Until tonight that is, haha!!!!!

Jim Nance was a stud but that was back in the old AFL days.

How about that "lethal" Seahawks team? They are sure destroying the league with that 6-4 record and allowing Jamal Charles to run all over them, tbh.

[Avante]

How about that "lethal" Seahawks team? They are sure destroying the league with that 6-4 record and allowing Jamal Charles to run all over them, tbh.

I"m a Niners fan, so what's that tell you?

[Avante]

If Bradshaw is done what will the Colts do for a running back? Richardson has no burst at all, none.

[spurraider21]

kick the tires on michael bush

[Avante]

kick the tires on michael bush

I bet he's up over 300 pounds by now.

What is "The Law Firm" doing?

[Avante]

Jonas Gray inspired... just who were the best Notre Dame backs in the NFL?

Jerome Bettis gained more yards than any Golden Domer.

"The Golden Boy" Paul Hornung is in the Hall of Fame.

Now add...

Ricky Watters
Nick Pietrasonte...an old Lions fullback
Greg Bell
Allan Pinkett

Who am I forgetting.

Apparently Gray did little at Notre Dame. his story would be like that of old Cowboy running back Duane Thomas. Thomas was just a blocking back while at West Texas State, the star of that show was Eugene "Mercury" Morris.

[Avante]

Out of their last 34 November games the Pats are 31-3. Wow~~~

The Gronk the modern version of...

[Avante]

Did RGIII really say that? Is this dude one stupid or what?

[Avante]

There is no doubt at all I can out run Trent Richardson.

[Avante]

Top 10 Steeler Running Backs

1.Jerome Bettis Notre Dame
2.Franco Harris Penn State
3.John Henry Johnson....first 1000 yarder Arizona St
4."Fast" Willie Parker North Carolina
5.Barry Foster Arkansas
6.La' Veon Bell Mich St
7.Frank Pollard Baylor
8.Rocky Bliear Notre Dame
9.Bill Dudley Virginia
10. LaGarrett Blount Oregon

Have never seen anyone run like this Bell kid does. Talk about a unique style, there it is.