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Fuzzy nappy headed noggins is by far the most annoying st poster
Okay.
Would you like to talk about the Nash trade or losing Gasol and Howard instead?
Fuzzy nappy headed noggins is by far the most annoying st poster
From a raw income standpoint where X is the value of what Duncan brings to the Spurs in terms of revenue, how would you compare that to what Dirk and Bryant bring?Mel's comments are really the only ones you need to read to understand the situation.
I said it last year when Kirby signed the extension. I had ZERO problem with him taking the money because he's right regarding the situation w/ the owners. I'll always be on the player's side 100% when it comes to labor agreements. Sadly, they don't have much of a chance going against billionaires that made their bones not giving a about other people tbh.
What I have issue with is when Kobe-stan puts him up there with the likes of Tim/Dirk in regards to being all about winning. Kobe eats first, he always has. It's just hilarious to see him call his fans stupid over and over again and they just continue to eat it up
Last time I checked, getting paid $30/hr and having that reduced to $24/hr is a sacrifice. You can quibble with evaluating worth by win shares versus gross revenue but at the end of the day it's not like he is just making up.
That's a different discussion for a different thread. The cap and salary constrains are what they are, and all teams are operating under the same rules.
First part could be but I don't think the second part is.
No one on LG commenting on this?
what do you mean? The cap and salary rules apply the same for all teams.
I mean that his extension paid him less than he had been paid before. How much salary does one have give up to be deemed to have made a sacrifice? $6m is $6m regardless of the cap.
sure, but there is a cap, and all salaries have to come from it. $6m is $6m, but it's X% of the cap. Managing those %s are key between fielding a winning team or a losing team.
What he got paid before is irrelevant. That previous contract was written under a different CBA (different rules).
I won't argue that at all. But people are acting like Bryant didn't give anything up. I get that people would prefer Bryant make the minimum and how wonderful that would be for signing FA but that is besides the point.
I am also saying that the Nash trade and aftermath, coaching decisions, letting Howard, Ariza, Gasol, et al go have more to do with the state that they are in than Bryant's contract.
AFAIK, he took the maximum amount of money he could take under this CBA. That's effectively not a discount.
Why the Lakers look like is certainly debatable, and encompasses this contract and other factors, but it's a different topic.
Proceeding.
Oh.
A chucker watch thread.
Proceeding.
0-7
But only down by 8, in the first quarter...
Mr. Thread, will this become a monotonous exercise in futility?
Or shall we revel in the disgusting display?
up until now that contract hasnt been an issue, precisely because gasol, howard, and all the big name big income players left- they certainly didnt leave because of bryant's contract, though you could easily argue that his playing style and personality had something to do with it, and who knows maybe kobe's ego would have come down a notch if he wasnt the highest paid player in the league. Either way there is no feasible way to build a contender with that high a salary invested in just one player unless you trade your way into it or get discounts (which is precisely how gasol, howard, nash, artest, malone payton etc got there) OR you collect rookie contracts to get cheap labor which is what the lakers are forced to do now. Kobe has his share of responsibility for kupchak's swing and miss, but he deflects and insists that winning is the most important thing to him, while keeping his best paid player in the league status. He's every right to take the money, just spare me the contender talk. If he wanted the lakers to contend and get that 6th ring, he should have done something very different (Im surprised the lakers werent able to arrange something under the table with all the business media opportunities in LA, "marketing" business is a euphemism for money laundering). It would matter next year, if kobe wasnt done and the lakers had good rooks. Maybe Kobe's contract will get off the hook after all.
Dale, with the constant parroting, the 25-5-5 stickh will eventually catch on. Just give it time and you're golden.
It's not allowed under the CBA. The Knicks tried to lure Dad Killer away from Chicago with similar under-the-table schemes and the league had to step in and put a stop to it.
DK actually came close to signing with the Knicks in the summer of 1996. Chicago had no choice but to cough up $35 mil that season.
This would be accurate if most jobs were predicated on a specific ability that went into rapid decline before retirement. For the VAST majority of jobs, this is not the case, or if it is, it's to a MUCH lesser degree than the rate at which one loses their athletic prowess.
A 35 year old pitcher who is unable to throw more than 6 innings per outing isn't "making a sacrifice" when he takes a pay cut. Neither is Kobe in this instance, especially given that the NBA has a salary cap.
kobe could have very easily done the "im sacrificing to win" schtick while TWC hired him to do promotional events at exorbitant rates.
Kobe and Dwight meet back stage (video)
You forgot his cell phone tirade about Bynum.Weird. I didn't know that throwing almost every single player AND coach under the buss who's played for you for the past 15 years counts as rooting for your team.
Let's see, here:
Shaq.
Pau.
Brown.
MDA.
Odom.
Gasol.
Dwight.
and now, the Front Office that brought together two teams with 8 starting hall of famers between them, apparently is terrible.
The only player to escape blame was perhaps Fisher, who bailed and went ring chasing, but I even heard plenty of "washed up has been" from Laker fans before he departed.
Golly, that's a lot of excuses. Wonder if there's a common thread connecting them all?
I don't wish to belabor the ugliness.
Other threads are taking care of Lakerfan sadiomasichism.
Proceed.
To other threads, Thread.
You simply cannot be a kirby fan AND a lakers fan these days. He's literally killing the team and if you're still rooting for him, then you're just an idiot.
From that point of view, he is what at 20 PER? $15m AAV player?
Bryant because of how much he is directly responsible to grossing is not out of his mind to think that a reduction in wage is a sacrifice. They just signed that $3b TV contract. I think blaming the Laker's current cir stance on Bryant because he wasn't willing to cut his salary in half is disingenuous and for the vast majority of people hypocritical. Free market!
When Jerry died and Jackson left the place imploded. The place is run by the most incompetent leadership in the NBA. In two offseasons two all star big men left the team. Junior kept daddy's GM and let his players fire his first coach a dozen games into the season before being forced to bring in a guy whose offensive gimmick hadn't been successful in a decade. He is canned at season's end.
During the offseason, they are turned down left and right and are forced to settle for Byron Scott. Nash won't return Scott's phone calls and declares he might get with the team at some point.
But yeah that is all because of Kobe's salary. . . .
Laker's are dysfunctional at every level of the organization. Ownership, executive, coaching, and roster.
yes he did, he should've demanded another 5yr max deal with the first year salary being 37.5m (125% of the last year's salary on his previous contract, the maximum amount allowed) and an annual increase of 10%. Just to see the Lakers suck for as long as possible tbh.
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