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Now this is a valid point of argument. They should have pulled out from a far and had a megaphone or something to talk to the kid.
you were telling me that i would let him out to the park on his own, and went on from there. irresponsible parenting can get kids in trouble. if your kid is unsupervised in a public park wielding what looks like a gun, then you're doing something wrong
Now this is a valid point of argument. They should have pulled out from a far and had a megaphone or something to talk to the kid.
So that's the difference between using necessary force and just walking up and taking the gun from the person, because someone said "it could be fake"?
lol
Teach your kids that guns are not toys, that pulling even a toy gun on anyone, especially an officer, is wrong and could lead to their deaths. Where was the kid's father? Why was the kid walking around a rec center pulling out a fake gun and pointing it at people? Whatever the cause, people get shot all the time for doing stupid when told to not do stupid .
Beautiful kid, tragedy, but avoidable if the kid had proper upbringing.
its not irresponsible parenting to let a 12 year old go to a rec center by themselves bro. i see it every day. when i said "you" i meant it in a universal sense. i wasnt giving you instruction on anything. if you go back and read it i have no idea how you could construe it as me telling you what to do.
But OK helicopter dad whos magically gonna supervise every single little thing their kid does while simultaneously holding down a career job. keep telling yourself that.
didnt say i'd be there personally. again, if my kid is unsupervised in a public park with a toy-gun (particularly with the safety cap removed), then something went wrong to begin with
It's not valid. Cops are there to protect the civilians. If they get a report of a person waving a gun around, they have to intervene. They don't stop at a distance where the cops cannot mitigate the situation by neutralizing the suspect while the suspect is in a position to open fire on civilians at will. It might sound like a good idea in retrospect, but that's not how intervention happens.
He needs to calmly attempt to ascertain facts and assess the threat. If the threat is definite, call for backup and intervene with force if someone is in imminent danger. If the threat is not certain, attempt to find out more without putting himself in potential harm's way. He could have assessed the child's age from a distance, shouted out to him from behind his car, used a bullhorn, fired in the air from a safe spot to scare the kid into dropping the toy, etc.
What? I don't have a problem with them shooting at someone who has a gun pointed at them. See my first resply to the thread. But they could have handled it better if they gave their selves more room to move around the situation. i.e. staying from a distance, talking to a kid.
Yeah, they intervene by pulling in from a distance, pointing their guns at him and telling him to put his gun on the ground and put his hands up.
Sometimes I don't know what country you guys think you live in.
Also you're acting like I said soemthing that they should be a mile away or something. A few more meters say could have helped.
no it didnt. its normal as for kids to play with toy guns. of course they remove the orange cap to make it look real. maybe we should blame the company that made the orange cap removable from the toy gun in the first place!
or we could use common sense and deduce for ourselves what probably happened, and know that if the gun WAS real, and the kid was waving it around like people say, someone would have noticed something A LOT sooner, and multiple calls would have been made for the police.
no it didnt. its normal as for kids to play with toy guns. of course they remove the orange cap to make it look real. maybe we should blame the company that made the orange cap removable from the toy gun in the first place!
or we could use common sense and deduce for ourselves what probably happened, and know that if the gun WAS real, and the kid was waving it around like people say, someone would have noticed something A LOT sooner, and multiple calls would have been made for the police.
where does tamir point the gun at the cops in the video???
When they arrive...
which video and what is the time stamp???
he gets shot before he pulls it from his waistband.
LOL Lib
Or not shown up at all. If the guy has a gun, you cannot just sit back and hope he complies with your commands at a "safe" distance. What might be safe for officers isn't safe for the public if the kid actually does have a gun. What if it was a mass shooting about to take place, and the cops just stood at distance and tried to talk to the individual. The guy starts popping shots at people possibly killing someone. Then the same people come here and say the cops didn't act quickly enough, that they allowed the person to shoot innocent people and did nothing to stop them.
You cannot have it both ways, you either call the cops so they can stop the situation or you get off your ass and go take the "fake" gun from the "kid" wielding it. That would have prevented the shooting. When you call the cops, you're calling people who also have guns, and they aren't coming to chat. Even at a distance, had it gotten to conversation and the police set up a shooter (and they would), the shot would have been taken when the kid drew and pointed the gun. The bullet travels faster than reaction time, so they'd have to park 200 meters away just to be "safe". That makes them useless to the people in the area (kids) who cops think are in immediate danger.
It's real easy after the fact to keyboard command the situation, but had a Sandy Hook type incident occurred, what then?
12 year olds have no business carrying guns around in their waistbands, and even less business pulling it routinely on passers by and cops. It was bound to happen. It's a chronic issue in black communities where single parent kids are raised by friends instead of parents. Yes it could have been anyone's kid, of any race, but it wasn't.
I'm not sure what fundamental tenet of Liberalism "Kids should not be at risk of being immediately shot for playing with toys in a park" falls under, but I know advocating unchecked authoritarianism sure as isn't Libertarianism.
Like at Sandy Hook, in Aurora and Virginia Tech? How'd that work out?
What if what if what if. This was a single suspected shooter in an open area. You park 30 feet away, get behind your car and tell him to put the ing gun down.
If it was standard policy for cops to shoot any suspect that may present a danger, how do they apprehend so many armed criminals? Why would they have taken James Holmes in? Mother er killed twelve people, but procedure is to shoot as a last resort.
What are they going to do from a distance? Do you know the effective accuracy at more than 50m with a handgun? Have you ever fired a handgun?
This is an airsoft M4. Let's see you walk into a police station pointing it at people. See how long you live with the "toy" gun.
1. Wrong
He wasn't a suspected shooter. He was waving a gun around. No one reported shots fired.
2. 30 feet is no different than 10 feet where a handgun is concerned. How do you suppose a cop negotiates around his vehicle to safety to tell someone to put down a weapon? How did the cops even know who the suspect was until he reached into his waistband? What if that wasn't the suspect?
3. Hyperbole is rampant already without you employing it at every turn. The cops didn't shoot at "any suspect that may present a danger", they shot at a person who drew a handgun on them when told to put his hands up, the same person who was reported to have been waving a gun around at a rec center. James Holmes didn't point a gun at the officers. He surrendered. You pose a direct threat, you get neutralized. If the kid pulled the same gun on me I would have shot him as well. If you're honest and have a CHL you'd likely have done the same, unless you think you'd wait for the report of the firearm before acting... ignoring that sudden sharp pain in your chest.
i had a tokyo marui m16 airsoft gun when i was a kid. yep, i removed the orange tip. i also played with it at a park near the soccer fields by my friends house. i also had the cops called on me once when i was the first kid to get to the park and was just carrying it around.What are they going to do from a distance? Do you know the effective accuracy at more than 50m with a handgun? Have you ever fired a handgun?
This is an airsoft M4. Let's see you walk into a police station pointing it at people. See how long you live with the "toy" gun.
the cop politely asked what it was and took my info. no gun drawn, no stern voice, no misunderstandings. wonder why that is.
lol 12 year old pulls gun replica on unaware cops, gets shot, you call it "playing with a toy in the park". I guess Michael Brown was playing football with the cop.
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