Baynes!!!

[Nero5]

what is most pleasing about the 3pt shot is that he knew how much time was left and did the right thing.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Nazr hit a 3 too once. Just sayin.

[Fireball]

Offensively Baynes is not far away from Splitter right now, Tiago "only" sets more accurate screens and passes the ball better, but for our needs right now Baynes delivers what is needed. The defense however is another thing. I really wish Tiago could return in two weeks when the schedule toughens up quite a bit.

[littlecoyotecoin]

We don't know what or how much Baynes was or was not offered except the one he ultimately received. People were very fond of pretending that no news meant that nothing was happening. They would then fantasize an actual bargaining position and make judgments off of it. There are also many who think it makes good business sense to demand the lowball offer no matter what.

It became quite asinine after Baynes played very well in the Worlds and anyone who thought a raise was in order was defamed. Excommunicado. Go to my thread and I list them there.

This did not happen. As a matter of fact, The Spurs came out early and publicly with a comment that they would match any reasonable offer. The only fantasy that took place, and is apparently still taking place, is the one where The Spurs were demanding that he accept the QO. Again, you will be hard-pressed to find any viable group that were suggesting that as a plank in their platform. It's a strawman. Also, it was quite obvious that his suitors would possibly be non-NBA / foreign, and that these deals would not be as transparent as a formal competing offer from another NBA team. China was rumored most frequently. Almost none of what you suggest transpired. And, if you do find a poster here or there that suggested something like that, they would be in an EXTREME minority, and probably not someone that would be considered a staple around ST. If you look hard enough, you can find someone that believes just about anything. That doesn't make their opinion mainstream, common, informed, or reasonable.

[SupremeGuy]

Baynes and Cojo have both been huge in filling in for Splitter and Mills.

This, tbh.

They've really stepped up this year, and because of them we've been able to limit the tosbs minutes and still win games. Very important stuff.

[TheGreatYacht]

I dunno who exactly, but some peeps where adamant to let him go to Europe if he didn't take the QO money...

Mexicans that wanted Ayon, tbh

[SupremeGuy]

And some ers still think than got Ayres is better than him

That was exstatic right? He has some pretty ty takes down in the club too.

[jeebus]

That was exstatic right? He has some pretty ty takes down in the club too.

The gotry with Errors is pretty strong in social media too. You'd be amazed at how many people thought Pender was good last year

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This did not happen. As a matter of fact, The Spurs came out early and publicly with a comment that they would match any reasonable offer. The only fantasy that took place, and is apparently still taking place, is the one where The Spurs were demanding that he accept the QO. Again, you will be hard-pressed to find any viable group that were suggesting that as a plank in their platform. It's a strawman. Also, it was quite obvious that his suitors would possibly be non-NBA / foreign, and that these deals would not be as transparent as a formal competing offer from another NBA team. China was rumored most frequently. Almost none of what you suggest transpired. And, if you do find a poster here or there that suggested something like that, they would be in an EXTREME minority, and probably not someone that would be considered a staple around ST. If you look hard enough, you can find someone that believes just about anything. That doesn't make their opinion mainstream, common, informed, or reasonable.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post7599568

Just make sure you douse yourself in kerosene first. You will never go poor underestimating the intelligence of others.

[littlecoyotecoin]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post7599568

Just make sure you douse yourself in kerosene first. You will never go poor underestimating the intelligence of others.

Yes, a link to a thread where basically everyone is saying pay him more only if you have to. I read that thread as it transpired. Don't bid against yourself. Pretty simple. The Spurs didn't have to bid against themselves, Baynes came back, and he's not on the books next year, just like The Spurs probably wanted from the beginning. If they bid against themselves, 2 million, and his Chinese offer comes in at 2.6 to lure him away, The Spurs just cost themselves .5 million for no reason. A half million here and there. Pretty soon it begins to add up to real money.

Again, he's back, for one year, on a salary they can live with. I would say they played it just right.

And, those saying we should have just thrown more money at him without knowing details of any counter offers were wrong. Just worrying he would "get away", luckily The Spurs had cooler heads.

Pretty much everyone wanted him back under the right conditions. He wasn't some martyr that was getting thrown under the bus as you imply. That's Ayres. Your boy Baynes has been worshipped in comparison.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, a link to a thread where basically everyone is saying pay him more only if you have to. I read that thread as it transpired. Don't bid against yourself. Pretty simple. The Spurs didn't have to bid against themselves, Baynes came back, and he's not on the books next year, just like The Spurs probably wanted from the beginning. If they bid against themselves, 2 million, and his Chinese offer comes in at 2.6 to lure him away, The Spurs just cost themselves .5 million for no reason. A half million here and there. Pretty soon it begins to add up to real money.

Again, he's back, for one year, on a salary they can live with. I would say they played it just right.

And, those saying we should have just thrown more money at him without knowing details of any counter offers were wrong. Just worrying he would "get away", luckily The Spurs had cooler heads.

Pretty much everyone wanted him back under the right conditions. He wasn't some martyr that was getting thrown under the bus as you imply. That's Ayres. Your boy Baynes has been worshipped in comparison.

People said straight out it was on principle. There were like 6 of them and I cast them out. If you didn't say that then fine but it's about time you shut up about 'no one said that.' They did very clearly.

You seem to be the type that does not understand that the Spurs organization does and encourages their players to negotiate outside of the media. Just because you didn't hear of other offers doesn't mean they didn't happen. And again none of you talked about his performance in the worlds. He performed well which in a meritocracy means he should be rewarded.

Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back on the basis of fantasy. People like Baynes because he is a better player. Deal with it.

[littlecoyotecoin]

People said straight out it was on principle. There were like 6 of them and I cast them out. If you didn't say that then fine but it's about time you shut up about 'no one said that.' They did very clearly.

You seem to be the type that does not understand that the Spurs organization does and encourages their players to negotiate outside of the media. Just because you didn't hear of other offers doesn't mean they didn't happen. And again none of you talked about his performance in the worlds. He performed well which in a meritocracy means he should be rewarded.

Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back on the basis of fantasy. People like Baynes because he is a better player. Deal with it.

Sensitive much?

Principle? Yes, the principle of you don't bid against yourself. The Spurs stuck to it. It worked. That is not the same as not wanting him back.

I said almost no one, or pretty much no one, or very few, if any. And, all you did is link to a thread in which pretty much EVERYONE IN IT wanted him back, for the right price, and under the right terms, which we got. That doesn't prove your point. It supports mine.

You still can't point to a significant group of ST posters that didn't want him back, because that group doesn't exist.

The overwhelming majority were eager to get him back. So eager, many people were calling for The Spurs to bid against themselves to get him back before FA was over. Luckily, cooler heads prevailed.

And his international play was mentioned in that thread. But, I, and maybe others, discount it. Playing well against generally inferior compe ion doesn't over-excite me. It was great that he did well, but it is what it is. He is an almost 30 year old dude. If he's not at his ceiling, he's near it. And, most importantly, that international play didn't bring any big offers that The Spurs couldn't match, unless Baynes gave up a whole lot of money we don't know about. So, all the scouts and GMs in the world saw that play and were unmoved to any significant degree. I don't think we here are too much off the mark in our estimation of it, either. His not getting picked up by another team corroborates that.

And, you're fighting windmills arguing he's better than Ayres. I never said he wasn't. I actually said, all things equal, I would go with him over Ayres. But, so what? Most basketball players are better basketball players than Ayres. That's no feather to stick in your cap.

He's just not THAT much better than Ayres, and despite all the laughing at Exstatic's take on Ayres, he has shown some solid numbers where Ayres is even better than Baynes in some aspects. So did a Project Spurs piece. It's just a fact. Overall, I still think Baynes is better for several reasons, but he is what he is.

Glad he's doing well, and good to have him back.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Oh, and this little bit of smug condescension:

"You seem to be the type that does not understand that the Spurs organization does and encourages their players to negotiate outside of the media. Just because you didn't hear of other offers doesn't mean they didn't happen. And again none of you talked about his performance in the worlds. He performed well which in a meritocracy means he should be rewarded."

Um, yeah. Why would I be aware of what just about everyone is aware of? You mean to say The Spurs are a tight-lipped organization? How would I ever know that. It's not like it is the focal point of just about every conversation about The Spurs ever had.

If you would read, you would have seen that I acknowledged other possible non-NBA offers, and at least a rumored Chinese offer. I assume there WERE offers. That's why the raise. But, there were no other NBA offers. How you got from that I didn't realize there could be other offers, I'm not really quite sure.

On his merits, he was probably worth around two million to some Chinese. The Spurs ponied up.

[Beaverfuzz]

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sensitive much?

Principle? Yes, the principle of you don't bid against yourself. The Spurs stuck to it. It worked. That is not the same as not wanting him back.

I said almost no one, or pretty much no one, or very few, if any. And, all you did is link to a thread in which pretty much EVERYONE IN IT wanted him back, for the right price, and under the right terms, which we got. That doesn't prove your point. It supports mine.

You still can't point to a significant group of ST posters that didn't want him back, because that group doesn't exist.

The overwhelming majority were eager to get him back. So eager, many people were calling for The Spurs to bid against themselves to get him back before FA was over. Luckily, cooler heads prevailed.

And his international play was mentioned in that thread. But, I, and maybe others, discount it. Playing well against generally inferior compe ion doesn't over-excite me. It was great that he did well, but it is what it is. He is an almost 30 year old dude. If he's not at his ceiling, he's near it. And, most importantly, that international play didn't bring any big offers that The Spurs couldn't match, unless Baynes gave up a whole lot of money we don't know about. So, all the scouts and GMs in the world saw that play and were unmoved to any significant degree. I don't think we here are too much off the mark in our estimation of it, either. His not getting picked up by another team corroborates that.

And, you're fighting windmills arguing he's better than Ayres. I never said he wasn't. I actually said, all things equal, I would go with him over Ayres. But, so what? Most basketball players are better basketball players than Ayres. That's no feather to stick in your cap.

He's just not THAT much better than Ayres, and despite all the laughing at Exstatic's take on Ayres, he has shown some solid numbers where Ayres is even better than Baynes in some aspects. So did a Project Spurs piece. It's just a fact. Overall, I still think Baynes is better for several reasons, but he is what he is.

Glad he's doing well, and good to have him back.

You were wrong demonstrably by the contract he received and because of your assertion of being harsh bottomline capitalist as the ideal negotiating tactic. Someone such as yourself would never have the chance to get star players to sign for less than market value. You claim to understand that the Spurs operate differently and whine about 'smug condescension' but you don't eat your feedback. You blithely continue your same narrative ignoring your current admission of ignorance to substantive facts.

I'm sensitive to accuracy. I never said no one wanted him back although I certainly did not rule it out either. You like to talk of strawman so I think some introspection is in order.

I said there were people that wanted to lowball him and made unknowable assumptions on the negotiations to make their lowballing justified. I have no interest in arguing intent like 'wanting him gone' for such activities because those such as yourself dissemble as it is quite easy to do. Try and keep up.

You sure seem intent on applying qualitative descriptions to the size of pro versus con in outlook to Baynes. You have already been demonstrated wrong on this subject with your previous position. I quoted 6 people doing what you claimed no one did. Now you waffle some more and have moved to a mythical amount of people that wanted to overpay him. Of course I am going to be condescending to such ty sophistry.

And spare me your ty emotional qualitative generalities. Baynes has earned the trust of Popovich to integrate him significantly into the rotation with starters. You can tell yourself that he is 'not that much better than Ayers' if it makes you feel better but to me it just looks like doubling down on stupidity.

I get it; you are butthurt because you were demonstrated to be wrong and now are desperate to save face. It's pretty typical but you would be better served to have some dignity and just let it go. If you want to continue though I will be more than happy to rub your face in it some more.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh, and this little bit of smug condescension:

"You seem to be the type that does not understand that the Spurs organization does and encourages their players to negotiate outside of the media. Just because you didn't hear of other offers doesn't mean they didn't happen. And again none of you talked about his performance in the worlds. He performed well which in a meritocracy means he should be rewarded."

Um, yeah. Why would I be aware of what just about everyone is aware of? You mean to say The Spurs are a tight-lipped organization? How would I ever know that. It's not like it is the focal point of just about every conversation about The Spurs ever had.

If you would read, you would have seen that I acknowledged other possible non-NBA offers, and at least a rumored Chinese offer. I assume there WERE offers. That's why the raise. But, there were no other NBA offers. How you got from that I didn't realize there could be other offers, I'm not really quite sure.

On his merits, he was probably worth around two million to some Chinese. The Spurs ponied up.

You have no clue what offers his agent did or did not get. You can fixate on a rumor you heard and wave your hands at it to try and make sense of things but it holds no merit. Your deductive skills are ty especially when you base them on ty assumptions.

You claim to understand this when I bring it up but comments like your quote belie that claim.

What you think he is worth is besides the point. He is earning his salary with his current production. 16 PER at 18 mpg is what it is.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I hope English is your second language.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I hope English is your second language.

I hope you can do better than grammar smack. What words did you not understand? I will help you with your reading.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I hope you can do better than grammar smack. What words did you not understand? I will help you with your reading.

Based upon your understanding, unlikely. Good use of vocabulary, actually. The rest of it, pretty ridiculous comprehension and construction. We'll just leave it at that. Good luck to you.

[benfti]

Beasting tonight

[Darius McCrary]

Baynes is way better than Dejuan, who was nothing but dumpster juice

[BackHome]

Sorry "Little" but Fuzzy is making you look like a fool...Just man up and say you were wrong and let's all move on... We are all in the end Spurs fans? Right............Go Spurs.............

[littlecoyotecoin]

Sorry "Little" but Fuzzy is making you look like a fool...Just man up and say you were wrong and let's all move on... We are all in the end Spurs fans? Right............Go Spurs.............

Everyone needs supporters, even Fuzzy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Based upon your understanding, unlikely. Good use of vocabulary, actually. The rest of it, pretty ridiculous comprehension and construction. We'll just leave it at that. Good luck to you.

So grammar smack because I don't use commas correctly in my dependent clauses?

grammar smack is always the bastion of the loser in an argument. You cannot argue on substance so you whine when I use an adverbial phrase without commas. I argue that they are dependent clauses and need no additional punctuation.

[spurraider21]

man, you get really defensive about your intelligence

get extra wordy and everything to prove it wrong.