Pop landing a gutshot on Chinook...

[ElNono]

This might not be a popular opinion, but I think Kawhi has quicker feet than Green. I actually don't think Green is quick enough to stay in front of freak athletes like Westbrook...I still remember Westbrook's first step killing Green in Game 6--in OT for example he was just missing, wasn't really anything Green did. If they didn't have Durant I would stick Kawhi on Westbrook instead of Green.

I just think when players like Westbrook are on, it hardly matters who you put in front... it's like when Lebron would score 10 straight in a quarter for Miami in the last Finals... sometimes, you just gotta make them work for it, and that's about all you can do.

[ElNono]

Eh, there are a lot of other factors that play into it. You're right that Kawhi is simply a better rebounder. I don't think anyone can argue that. Leonard deserves his due as the best rebounding SF in the league. But he is a front-court player, and that does put him near the basket a lot, especially when he's playing off the ball. As I said, it's Green's job as a guard to be above the FT line most of the time. That's not true for Leonard. That doesn't mean that Green's rebounding is equal to Kawhi's at all. It does mean that it's not a huge deal to perimeter defense to get boards.

That's what I was trying to point out, which has nothing to do with a Kawhi vs Green comparison. Kawhi is an elite rebounder, no doubt about it, but that doesn't automatically mean Green is bad or anything like that. Green could rebound more if he didn't have to run back in transition (because that's his role/job as a guard). Would he rebound as much or as good as Kawhi if he didn't have such responsibility? Unlikely. But his box out and rebounding are solid. It's not like we're talking Bonner box outs here.

[dabom]

That's what I was trying to point out, which has nothing to do with a Kawhi vs Green comparison. Kawhi is an elite rebounder, no doubt about it, but that doesn't automatically mean Green is bad or anything like that. Green could rebound more if he didn't have to run back in transition (because that's his role/job as a guard). Would he rebound as much or as good as Kawhi if he didn't have such responsibility? Unlikely. But his box out and rebounding are solid. It's not like we're talking Bonner box outs here.

Do you actually believe his offensive rebounds would offset his blocks on transition? I highly doubt that. His numbers will always look the same. His defensive rebounding will never be near kawhi numbers. Also kawhi can go for those offensive rebounds too but he also runs back on defense just like the whole team. Kawhis impact on defense will never be quantifiable but that's why we have basketball minds like pop who will quell some arguments.

[pgardn]

Pop doesn't even say Green's a good shooter either. I've never seen a coach downplay a player this much. It's all well and good that it's part of his coaching psychology. But you have folks that take him at his word and think that Kawhi (and Klay) are better just because of reputation. Sucks that it's probably going to cost Green millions.

Green's having one of the best defensive seasons by a guard in history. Pop would be all over that if Leonard was doing it.

So you became a Spur's fan well after Parker?

[100%duncan]

So you became a Spur's fan well after Parker?

Pop rained compliments for Parker all playoffs long last season.

[ElNono]

Do you actually believe his offensive rebounds would offset his blocks on transition? I highly doubt that. His numbers will always look the same. His defensive rebounding will never be near kawhi numbers. Also kawhi can go for those offensive rebounds too but he also runs back on defense just like the whole team. Kawhis impact on defense will never be quantifiable but that's why we have basketball minds like pop who will quell some arguments.

You're looking for an answer over an argument I never made. I never said Green would be as good as Kawhi if given the same opportunities (I actually said the contrary). I simply pointed out that Green doesn't get the same opportunities, and that's simply by design, because of the system we use and the positions they play. You might agree or disagree with that (I suppose you disagree), and that's fine. If there's a myth I'd like to kill is any notion that Danny isn't a good rebounder because he doesn't rebound at an elite level like Kawhi. Danny is a fine rebounder for his position.

[pgardn]

And Green is still a bad ball handler, upgraded from awful.

[ElNono]

So you became a Spur's fan well after Parker?

[pgardn]

Pop rained compliments for Parker all playoffs long last season.

So you also did not see Parker's first 4 seasons as a Spur?
Is that right?

[100%duncan]

So you also did not see Parker's first 4 seasons as a Spur?
Is that right?

Oh nice assumption are you going to pull the "I'm older than yours I know more" card on me?

Of course I did, I also remember Pop putting a 19 year old into the starting line-up over veteran guards.

[dabom]

You're looking for an answer over an argument I never made. I never said Green would be as good as Kawhi if given the same opportunities (I actually said the contrary). I simply pointed out that Green doesn't get the same opportunities, and that's simply by design, because of the system we use and the positions they play. You might agree or disagree with that (I suppose you disagree), and that's fine. If there's a myth I'd like to kill is any notion that Danny isn't a good rebounder because he doesn't rebound at an elite level like Kawhi. Danny is a fine rebounder for his position.

By design kawhi and green can't get those offensive rebounds. I don't know what were arguing about again. Anyways I think green is a good rebounded but not great at it even for his position.

[pgardn]

Oh nice assumption are you going to pull the "I'm older than yours I know more" card on me?

Of course I did, I also remember Pop putting a 19 year old into the starting line-up over veteran guards.

Do you remember the 4th quarter pulls and the incessant criticism?
I don't care how old you are, just don't mouth off about something you did not witness.

Does the name Speedy Claxton ring a bell?
There is no player that took as much from Pop as Parker for so long, none.

[wildchild]

Second is that PPP (especially in the traditional sense) only accounts for shots taken. So if Green forces a pass with his defense the numbers don't catch it. Funny how you can use arguments against PPP to defend Leonard but ignore them when it relates to Green

I always emphasize the importance of Danny forcing a pass or changing shots but you use PPP arguments to underestimate the best of Leonard's defense.

It's understandable the different points of view are always subjetive but even when your own numbers don't say what you want then there is a convenient story behind the stats.
Like game 3 WCF "His numbers are pretty strong, but they don’t tell the whole story" or after game 1 "Durant may not make as many tough shots again" but Durant was 6/15 on contested shots, had six turnovers, took 5 less attempts less and couldn't get his usual free throws per game.

I don't think that anyone can really say Green doesn't help enough.

Nobody says he doesn't help...he does, he over play help so much.

[100%duncan]

Do you remember the 4th quarter pulls and the incessant criticism?
I don't care how old you are, just don't mouth off about something you did not witness.

Does the name Speedy Claxton ring a bell?
There is no player that took as much from Pop as Parker for so long, none.

So when a player plays bad, you play him even if it'll cost you the game?

If Speedy didn't step up for Parker ting the bed in 2003 then 2013 would have happened. Oh you know games 6 and 7 in the finals? When he got outplayed by Mario ing Chalmers? And what happened the next year? Choked in the le clinching game again, good that we have another great back up pg in Mills though.

Thinking that benching a player is taking from the coach. Dumb.

Ironic statement bruh " just don't mouth off about something you did not witness", dont mouth off about something that you clearly don't understand.

[dabom]

Are we having a "I'm a bigger fan than you" because of location or this case older and fortunate to watch the spurs earlier. Let's just stick to the conversation at hand.

[pgardn]

So when a player plays bad, you play him even if it'll cost you the game?

If Speedy didn't step up for Parker ting the bed in 2003 then 2013 would have happened. Oh you know games 6 and 7 in the finals? When he got outplayed by Mario ing Chalmers? And what happened the next year? Choked in the le clinching game again, good that we have another great back up pg in Mills though.

Thinking that benching a player is taking from the coach. Dumb.

Ironic statement bruh " just don't mouth off about something you did not witness", dont mouth off about something that you clearly don't understand.

Oh good for you.
So you DO realize how much Parker has gone through.
Why are you arguing then dumbfck?

I am not a Parker apologist, I hate how he holds his head and does not get back after getting contact on a drive. Parker has taken more , especially early on, than any Spur.

[100%duncan]

Oh good for you.
So you DO realize how much Parker has gone through.
Why are you arguing then dumbfck?

So butthurt

.. and so dumb

"Thinking that benching a player is taking from the coach." re-read and re-understand you dumb

[100%duncan]

Are we having a "I'm a bigger fan than you" because of location or this case older and fortunate to watch the spurs earlier. Let's just stick to the conversation at hand.

The old got has parker's all over his mouth. Forgive him, he's going to die soon anyhow.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Oh nice assumption are you going to pull the "I'm older than yours I know more" card on me?

Of course I did, I also remember Pop putting a 19 year old into the starting line-up over veteran guards.

You whiffed again. Parker's been here a decade. What's it matter that Pop praised him LAST year? Pgar attempts to redirect you towards Parker's first four years and you whiff again. Parker got his ass chewed out incessantly. Not chewing Danny out for that bone-headed foul would have been a slap in the face to all the other players that have gotten their asses chewed. Danny is not better than Parker or Ginobili. Last year. Sheesh.

[pgardn]

So butthurt

.. and so dumb

"Thinking that benching a player is taking from the coach." re-read and re-understand you dumb

You bet benching is degrading.
What is wrong with you?

And if it's verbal assaults, Parker has taken 5X as much as Green.
I stated Parker took far more , especially early on, you disagreed.

Now you go back and reread Einstein.

[100%duncan]

You whiffed again. Parker's been here a decade. What's it matter that Pop praised him LAST year? Pgar attempts to redirect you towards Parker's first four years and you whiff again. Parker got his ass chewed out incessantly. Not chewing Danny out for that bone-headed foul would have been a slap in the face to all the other players that have gotten their asses chewed. Danny is not better than Parker or Ginobili. Last year. Sheesh.

Whiff still butthurt about past arguments with me

Putting a 19 year old on a contender's starting line up is not good enough
Benching a player= ting on him

[littlecoyotecoin]

So butthurt

.. and so dumb

"Thinking that benching a player is taking from the coach." re-read and re-understand you dumb

You're the dumb that doesn't realize those benchings were quite often preceded by ass-chewings by the coach. He isn't trying to pull an age card on you, but he is calling you out as being ignorant of that history. Maybe it is your age, maybe it's not, but just quit while you're behind.

[100%duncan]

You bet benching is degrading.
What is wrong with you?

And if it's verbal assaults, Parker has taken 5X as much as Green.
I stated Parker took far more , especially early on, you disagreed.

Now you go back and reread Einstein.

I didn't disagree dumbass, re-read "Pop rained compliments for Parker all playoffs long last season." is that disagreeing? You went all defensive for him right at the get go.

Apparently you reading Einstein hasn't help you understand basic comprehension so why would I.

[100%duncan]

You're the dumb that doesn't realize those benchings were quite often preceded by ass-chewings by the coach. He isn't trying to pull an age card on you, but he is calling you out as being ignorant of that history. Maybe it is your age, maybe it's not, but just quit while you're behind.

Benching a player= ting on him

That's all I need to say. But hey I hope you two aren't coaches tbh.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Whiff still butthurt about past arguments with me

Putting a 19 year old on a contender's starting line up is not good enough
Benching a player= ting on him

I do remember you as a stupid person, true, but I don't remember which argument it was.