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Hmm. That's interesting. I've heard several stories about it on NPR over the last week. I guess they aren't US media.
Which is the whole point of the thread le, you get that right?
Hmm. That's interesting. I've heard several stories about it on NPR over the last week. I guess they aren't US media.
I get that the whole point is you and yoni want to fixate on the Fox and RNC scandal machine.
Torture Report: Former CIA Directors Say Interrogation Program 'Saved Thousands of Lives'
Here's the Op-Ed from which ABC draws its story:The former directors argue that the CIA interrogation program “saved thousands of lives” by helping lead to the capture of top al Qaeda operatives and disrupting their plotting.
"A powerful example of the interrogation program’s importance is the information obtained from Abu Zubaydah, a senior al Qaeda operative, and from Khalid Sheik Muhammed, known as KSM, the 9/11 mastermind,” the former directors write. "We are convinced that both would not have talked absent the interrogation program.”
As for Osama bin Laden, the former directors outline the steps that led the Navy SEALs to the Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
"The CIA never would have focused on the individual who turned out to be bin Laden’s personal courier without the detention and interrogation program,” they write. “So the bottom line is this: The interrogation program formed an essential part of the foundation from which the CIA and the U.S. military mounted the bin Laden operation."
This is the first opportunity for these former intelligence chiefs to respond to the allegations made in the report: None of them — in fact no current or former CIA officials — were interviewed by the Senate Intelligence Committee for their report.
They argue that the report's release will do long-standing damage to the United States because it will make foreign intelligence agencies less willing to cooperate with the CIA, give terrorists a new reciting tool and make current CIA operatives fearful of future political attacks.
Ex-CIA Directors: Interrogations Saved Lives
Oh, you can't explain yourself.
No problem.
Didn't think you could.
Ex-CIA Directors: Interrogations Saved Lives
I find it interesting the Senate committee couldn't find time, in its five year investigation, to talk to any of the six former CIA Directors.
Keep them from torturing?make current CIA operatives fearful of future political attacks.
I'm good with that.
Okay, I find it amusing that you chide someone for answering you the way you answer 99% of the questions asked of you. Thanks for the laugh.
Everyone else understood, except you. I'm not surprised.
Republicans could have called in anyone they wanted.
Why didn't they?
So you still can't explain?
I'm not surprised.
The whole mea culpa thing is freaking ridiculous.
Everybody knows we waterboarded and ed with their terrorist asses.
Feinstein may be pissed at the CIA but the average American is *yawning* and saying "so what?'
You speak for The American People?
The CIA cracked the Senate's computers, violation of separation of powers, nobody prosecuted, and Feinstein, former CIA ally, ed the CIA real good.
heard a ex-CIA guy say this morning The American People, it's ALWAS their fault, WANTED the CIA to torture because The American People gave the CIA carte blanche to defend America
... which includes hummus enemas
Anybody who believes ANYTHING the CIA says is a stupid as the CIA is lawless
America, the GOD-loving, GOD-loved Shining Beacon On The Hill, humanly and morally superior to all non-Americans.
those terrorist assholes
about 80% of the detainees at Gitmo were released -- some after a decade in prison, many of those having also been tortured -- without charges or appearing before a military commission, which strongly suggests that we had no reasonable basis to detain them to begin with.
several, many?, weren't terrorists. Now they are just destroyed human beings.
was there not enough evidence to try anybody?
the in the report was heavily redacted. We can guess the full was even more disgusting.
We should have just been humanitarians and killed their asses on the battlefield instead of capturing them.
Po wittle terrorists.
Of those about 30% are allegedly back in action.
a minuscule %age of the total Muslims now pushing back against the invasive USA Murderous Corporate Empire.
The Repugs have debased the USA to level of all the other countries that torture.
blowback from indefinite detention plus torture. wouldn't you be mad if it happened to you?
what about the other 70%? no qualms or scruples there?
I question the tactics:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...eport-releasedThe report represented the most scathing congressional indictment of the Central Intelligence Agency in nearly four decades. It found that torture “regularly resulted in fabricated information,” said committee chairwoman Dianne Feinstein, in a statement summarizing the findings. She called the torture programme “a stain on our values and on our history”.
“During the brutal interrogations, the CIA was often unaware the information was fabricated.” She told the Senate the torture program was “morally, legally and administratively misguided” and “far more brutal than people were led to believe”.
The report reveals that use of torture in secret prisons run by the CIA across the world was even more extreme than previously exposed, and included “rectal rehydration” and “rectal feeding”, sleep deprivation lasting almost a week and threats to the families of the detainees.
The “lunch tray” for one detainee, which contained hummus, pasta with sauce, nuts and raisins, “was ‘pureed’ and rectally infused”, the report says. One detainee whose rectal examination was conducted with “excessive force” was later diagnosed with chronic hemorrhoids, anal fissures and rectal prolapse. Investigators also do ented death threats made to detainees. And CIA interrogators, the committee charged, told detainees they would hurt detainees’ children and “sexually assault” or “cut a [detainee’s] mother’s throat”.
At least one prisoner died as a result of hypothermia after being held in a stress position on cold concrete for hours. At least 17 detainees were tortured without the approval from CIA headquarters that ex-director George Tenet assured the DOJ would occur. And at least 26 of the CIA’s estimated 119 detainees, the committee found, were “wrongfully held.”
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relevant US and international law covering torture here:
http://america.aljazeera.com/article...explainer.html
First of all, I'm not sure your assertion is true but, that doesn't relieve the Democrat majority on the committee from doing the same. After all, if they wanted the truth, it might have been in their interest to actually talk to the agency they were investigating.
I guess I am morally corrupt but I honestly have a hard time getting worked up about the civil rights of the Gitmo detainees. As for it happening to me, I can't conceive of a situation where I would be detained while apparently being involved in terrorist activities.
Eh, the CIA couldn't even be honest about the number of detainees it held when asked.
Better to go by their own words in their internal records. Why should those be dismissed? Were they lying to each other?
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