I question the timing.

[Warlord23]

I guess I am morally corrupt but I honestly have a hard time getting worked up about the civil rights of the Gitmo detainees. As for it happening to me, I can't conceive of a situation where I would be detained while apparently being involved in terrorist activities.

It doesn't bother you that most of the detainees aren't tried and proven guilty, that many aren't even charged, that many have got there because bounty hunters in Muslim countries turned them in to make a quick buck even if they weren't associated with terrorism, that many of them might be innocent?

After WW2, we executed German army personnel for running Gulags that dealt death and torture ... How do you reconcile the US running a Gulag that tortures people who may or may not be terrorists?

[Winehole23]

McCain's floor statement:

“Mr. President, I rise in support of the release – the long-delayed release – of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s summarized, unclassified review of the so-called ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ that were employed by the previous administration to extract information from captured terrorists. It is a thorough and thoughtful study of practices that I believe not only failed their purpose – to secure actionable intelligence to prevent further attacks on the U.S. and our allies – but actually damaged our security interests, as well as our reputation as a force for good in the world.

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/...1-a58f984db996

[Winehole23]

I guess I am morally corrupt but I honestly have a hard time getting worked up about the civil rights of the Gitmo detainees. As for it happening to me, I can't conceive of a situation where I would be detained while apparently being involved in terrorist activities.

People were sold for reward money based on local beefs having nothing to do with terrorism. Goatherds and such.

[DarrinS]

McCain's floor statement:

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/...1-a58f984db996

That is such a ing awesome endorsement.

[Winehole23]

more content-free scoffing. a very typical DarrinS post.

[ChumpDumper]

That is such a ing awesome endorsement.

What do you mean by this?

What exactly are you saying about McCain's statement?

[Yonivore]

McCain's floor statement:

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/...1-a58f984db996

A statement on torture by John McCain is the same as a statement on gun violence by Gabby Giffords. Understandably biased.

[Yonivore]

So, what actions do the Senate Intelligence Committee recommend in their 500 page report?

[ChumpDumper]

A statement on torture by John McCain is the same as a statement on gun violence by Gabby Giffords. Understandably biased.

So you can just dismiss his opinion out of hand?

You're just another chicken hawk. You never anything yourself or had anything happen to you, but somehow you think you are better qualified than a man who was actually tortured to say what torture is.

You're a joke, yoni.

[ChumpDumper]

So, what actions do the Senate Intelligence Committee recommend in their 500 page report?

No more assplay.

Does that disappoint you?

[Yonivore]

I'm with Michael Hayden on this who, when asked how he would feel if members of his family were to be subjected to the harsh interrogation techniques used against suspected terrorists, said something to the effect (and I'm paraphrasing), "It would be terrible but, my response would be somewhat muted if it was believed my family had just been involved in the murder of 3,000 people."

[ChumpDumper]

I'm with Michael Hayden on this who, when asked how he would feel if members of his family were to be subjected to the harsh interrogation techniques used against suspected terrorists, said something to the effect (and I'm paraphrasing), "It would be terrible but, my response would be somewhat muted if it was believed my family had just been involved in the murder of 3,000 people."

Yes, we know you lose all your morals and respect for law when you think you are Jack Bauer.

[Yonivore]

So you can just dismiss his opinion out of hand?

Pretty much, yeah; but, with sympathy and understanding.

You're just another chicken hawk. You never anything yourself or had anything happen to you, but somehow you think you are better qualified than a man who was actually tortured to say what torture is.

You're a joke, yoni.

Well, let's put the terrorist detainees up beside Senator McCain and see who really shows the signs of torture.

Look, being involved in a car accident doesn't make you an expert on the physics of accidents, does it? No, it makes you a victim.

[Spurminator]

I'm with Michael Hayden on this who, when asked how he would feel if members of his family were to be subjected to the harsh interrogation techniques used against suspected terrorists, said something to the effect (and I'm paraphrasing), "It would be terrible but, my response would be somewhat muted if it was believed my family had just been involved in the murder of 3,000 people."

That's pretty ing sad. No one could possibly feel that way about members of their family unless they themselves also believed there was a chance they were involved in those murders.

Or you just don't love your family very much.

[Yonivore]

Yes, we know you lose all your morals and respect for law when you think you are Jack Bauer.

No, you make difficult judgments when every morning you wake up to a ticking time bomb scenario such as was the case in the days after 9/11, when the vast majority of the enhanced interrogation techniques were employed.

You have the luxury of not having to prevent another 9/11. That makes it easy for you to judge the actions of those who don't have that same luxury.

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty much, yeah; but, with sympathy and understanding.

And condescension.

Well, let's put the terrorist detainees up beside Senator McCain and see who really shows the signs of torture.

Look, being involved in a car accident doesn't make you an expert on the physics of accidents, does it? No, it makes you a victim.

Physics?

lol now you're talking about physics.

Sorry, the person that has been in the car wreck knows more about car wrecks than a person who read a blog about someone else's reading an account of a car wreck.

Guess who you are in this analogy.

[ChumpDumper]

No, you make difficult judgments when every morning you wake up to a ticking time bomb scenario such as was the case in the days after 9/11, when the vast majority of the enhanced interrogation techniques were employed.

You have the luxury of not having to prevent another 9/11. That makes it easy for you to judge the actions of those who don't have that same luxury.

Except there were no ticking time bombs and none diffused by torture.

What makes it easy for me to judge the actions is knowing what is right and what America actually stands for.

You are as un-American as the 9/11 terrorists.

[Yonivore]

And condescension.

Not at all. I just don't think he is in a position to know all that transpired with respect to the CIA's use of enhanced interrogation techniques. Senator McCain wasn't on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Physics?

lol now you're talking about physics.

Sorry, the person that has been in the car wreck knows more about car wrecks than a person who read a blog about someone else's reading an account of a car wreck.

Guess who you are in this analogy.

He knows what its like to be in a car wreck; that's it. He doesn't know more than the accident investigators, trained to understand car accidents, about the mechanics of the accident.

Being subjected to any process doesn't make you an expert on that process.

[CosmicCowboy]

People were sold for reward money based on local beefs having nothing to do with terrorism. Goatherds and such.

I am pretty confident that the random innocent goat herders have been culled out and sent back over the years.

If you have information otherwise, please share.

[Yonivore]

Except there were no ticking time bombs and none diffused by torture.

Well, this is where the intelligence community says you're wrong.

[CosmicCowboy]

at the McCain supporters in this thread that suddenly have found him relevant.

[ChumpDumper]

Not at all. I just don't think he is in a position to know all that transpired with respect to the CIA's use of enhanced interrogation techniques. Senator McCain wasn't on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

But you claim to know enough to make a judgment.

He knows what its like to be in a car wreck; that's it. He doesn't know more than the accident investigators, trained to understand car accidents, about the mechanics of the accident.

Actually, he knows more than any of them what it's like to be in an accident. You're trying as hard as possible to act like the CIA were a bunch of torture scientists, which is bull . They were a bunch of angry men who had no idea what they were doing and ignored their own agency's history about the ineffectiveness of torture.

Well, this is where the intelligence community says you're wrong.

Proven liars with every reason to lie further since the possibility of criminal prosecution does exist.

Have you ever known a suspected criminal to lie?

[ChumpDumper]

at the McCain supporters in this thread that suddenly have found him relevant.

at his former supporters that suddenly threw him under the bus for being tortured.

You all just justified his torture along with the torture of the detainees.

Congratulations, all of you.

[CosmicCowboy]

Personally I haven't found McCain relevant since his pathetic run at the Presidency.

[ElNono]

Feinstein may be pissed at the CIA but the average American is *yawning* and saying "so what?'

I think Feinstein is a two-faced liar herself, but regardless, there's just simply no valid justification for torture. You can't go around claiming moral authority and pointing fingers at somebody else for doing atrocities when you're not only doing them yourself, but trying to fit them in some sort of 'legal' framework. This whole thing reminds me of the Jap internment camps back in WWII. You could say 'nobody cared' at the time, but it's a black eye.