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    LOL Yonnie...you are moonwalking backwards. You are the one that specifically mentioned the e-mail and it's racist implications. I simply responded to your allegations.

    If anyrthing, as you speculate, SONY Execs considered that casting a black actor in the leading role was going to hurt them financially in the international market, they should be praised for going ahead and doing it anyway instead of being criticized.
    I believe if you'll check my post, that's what I said.

    I gave kudos to Sony for going ahead, even though they perceived it would hurt them in the racist international market. But, as I said, the conversation did happen. You said it didn't.

    I know no one likes to be wrong but, , does everyone have to be so pedantic when they feel challenged over something so inconsequential. My comment was made at the end of a post, germane to this thread. It wasn't even relevant to the conversation but, as I stated, it was interesting because it crossed over into a discussion we were having in another thread.

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    Great read, thanks. NK has seemed like a convenient bogeyman for all of this. Especially for the hackers.
    2: Update at 8p.m. 12/18/14: Minutes after we published this story examining the known evidence for and against North Korea as the source of the hack, The New York Times and other media outlets announced that the U.S. administration was ready to conclude North Korea was involved in the Sony hack. We have updated the story with this new information.

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    Wow! They're hitting on all our favorite themes today...

    Next up, The LA Weekly and "White Liberal Guilt," which is morphing into "White Privilege" much like Global Cooling became Global Warming that became Global Climate Change...I guess they're just trying to be inclusive; after all, why should Liberals be the only guilty party? Except, in this case, I'm pretty sure all the significant players are Liberals.

    Killing The Interview Opens Studios to Terrorist Manipulation

    Why would there be? There was no outcry over the release of the 2006 American release of "Death of a President," which, amazingly the author of this piece conveniently skipped over, going all the way back to 1932 to illustrate her premise films about assassinating living state leaders. Maybe it's not as infrequent as she claims. Besides, would we even know if North Korea released a movie?

    And then there's the abominable "white privilege."

    Hey, it was blessed by the administration of a President that was once mistaken for a valet...

    Exclusive: Sony Emails Say State Department Blessed Kim Jong-Un Assassination in ‘The Interview’

    Surely, that should assuage some of the guilt.
    Do you have some kind of "white privilege" Google Alert set up? This was the opinion of one University professor in an article devoted to collecting a variety of points of view on Sony's cancellation of The Interview.

    Besides, Death of a President was controversial when it was released: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_o...film)#Response

    Where have you seen any kind of widespread outcry over The Interview's depiction of Kim Jong Un being assassinated?

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    2: Update at 8p.m. 12/18/14: Minutes after we published this story examining the known evidence for and against North Korea as the source of the hack, The New York Times and other media outlets announced that the U.S. administration was ready to conclude North Korea was involved in the Sony hack. We have updated the story with this new information.
    These were the updates they made to the article:

    1 The New York Timesreported this evening that North Korea is “centrally involved” in the hack, citing unnamed U.S. intelligence officials. It’s unclear from the Times report what “centrally involved” means and whether the intelligence officials are saying the hackers were state-sponsored or actually agents of the state. The Times also notes that “It is not clear how the United States came to its determination that the North Korean regime played a central role in the Sony attacks.” The public evidence pointing at the Hermit Kingdom is flimsy.
    2 New reports, however, indicate that intelligence officials who are not permitted to speak on the record have concluded that the North Koreans are behind the hack. But they have provided no evidence to support this and without knowing even what agency the officials belong to, it’s difficult to know what to make of the claim. And we should point out that intelligence agencies and government officials have jumped to hasty conclusions or misled the public in the past because it was politically expedient.

    I certainly don't have any evidence one way or the other, so for all I know this could be Kim Jong Un himself and a group of his hacker buddies... But my point was that the North Korea/domestic terrorist threat, however unrealistic, is a great excuse for Sony to pull the movie completely and prevent additional leaks, which is their primary concern.

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    There was no outcry over the release of the 2006 American release of "Death of a President," which, amazingly the author of this piece conveniently skipped over, going all the way back to 1932 to illustrate her premise films about assassinating living state leaders.
    Which living state leaders were assassinated in Shanghai Express and The Bitter Tea of General Yen?

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    Do you have some kind of "white privilege" Google Alert set up? This was the opinion of one University professor in an article devoted to collecting a variety of points of view on Sony's cancellation of The Interview.
    No, I just consume a wide range of information sources.

    Besides, Death of a President was controversial when it was released: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_o...film)#Response
    Controversial, sure. But, I dare to suggest if that movie were made today, about Obama, controversy wouldn't even begin to describe what would happen.

    Where have you seen any kind of widespread outcry over The Interview's depiction of Kim Jong Un being assassinated?
    Nowhere, I probably wouldn't even be aware that North Korea had released a movie. Do they have a film industry?

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    Seriously? If the French made a movie where Obama got his head graphically exploded on video you don't think there would be fallout?

    Before this happens I am on record...

    Freedom Fries!

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    Seriously? If the French made a movie where Obama got his head graphically exploded on video you don't think there would be fallout?

    Before this happens I am on record...

    Freedom Fries!
    I thought we were talking about the Norks.

    The French.

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    how much money are we spending on the TSA, airport security, ports of entry security over the terrerist boogeyman? and we can't even screen a movie without ting pants over a tweeter threat?

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    Yoni sure can't

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    I was planning on going to the movie.

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    People are way too scared of North Korea.

    The only reason the country exists is so China can have a buffer state between it and South Korea.

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    I was planning on going to the movie.
    You said Sony was right to pull it. You your pants over an anonymous, nonspecific tweet.

    You're a coward.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 12-19-2014 at 01:35 AM.

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    You said Sony was right to pull it. You your pants over an anonymous, nonspecific tweet.

    You're a coward.
    Damn, winehole with no regard.

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    Yoni cringes in the face of terror and licks the boot of countervailing force. That's just how he rolls.

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    You said Sony was right to pull it. You your pants over an anonymous, nonspecific tweet.

    You're a coward.
    Not that it matters, I actually modified that remark in a later post. I realized posters such as you were unable to discern the meaning of what was being said, in the context of the greater conversation, and that you seize on simple words and phrases to pull out of a total conversation to beat other posters about the head a face with them and, so, thought better of using the word "right."

    My saying they did the "right" thing was related to their reasonable concern that if ANYTHING had happened to ANYONE at ANY theater, where The Interview was being screened, they would be held liable if it could even be tangentially connected to their "refusal to bow to terrorist" and/or leaving the movie in theaters when they knew a threat existed. I was thinking of our litigious society, not terrorists.

    Yonivore says

    Now, I will clarify what I said earlier. I said it was the right thing to do. More precisely, I think it was a reasonable thing to do, given what they knew at the time. I was looking forward to seeing The Interview and would have probably risked going out and viewing it had they decided not to pull it from theaters.

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    My saying they did the "right" thing was related to their reasonable concern that if ANYTHING had happened to ANYONE at ANY theater, where The Interview was being screened, they would be held liable if it could even be tangentially connected to their "refusal to bow to terrorist" and/or leaving the movie in theaters when they knew a threat existed. I was thinking of our litigious society, not terrorists
    You said it was a clear case of state sponsored terrorism and suggested a nuclear bomb would an appropriate response.

    You quickly backpedaled when you saw how preposterous your own reaction was. I agree with you that it was ridiculous and applaud the more reasonable position you claim to hold now.

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    You said it was a clear case of state sponsored terrorism and suggested a nuclear bomb would an appropriate response.
    You're going to have to quote me on that.

    You quickly backpedaled when you saw how preposterous your own reaction was. I agree with you that it was ridiculous and applaud the more reasonable position you claim to hold now.
    You don't understand snark or sarcasm, do you?

    Here are the three posts I could find where I talk about who's responsible and what I would do about it. If I missed one, I apologize, you can point it out to me.

    Now, where in these three posts, do I say it is a "clear case of state sponsored terrorism" [I know, in post #2 but, I don't identify Korea] and, further, where do I suggest a "nuclear bomb would be an appropriate response?"

    Post #13

    I don't know that it is clear. It seems plausible and Obama's FBI has suggested there is evidence (however thin) that NK is responsible. My suggestions were predicated on it being clear and, since I'm in absolutely no position to direct any response, I took license to be flippant, snarky, and sarcastic. So, by all means, feel free to not employ my suggested responses until you're satisfied they're the culprits...and only then, if you're comfortable do so.
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    I'm sorry, I don't have access to the full range of intelligence or available responses to give you a response. What do you think should happen if North Korea sponsors an act of terrorism against Americans?

    I think I'd bring back directed assassinations and kill the bas . But, I'm not the President. Perhaps he'll redirect a couple of drones and take out the President Palace and a few dozen innocent bystanders. Just needs to be something, I suppose. Don't you?
    I apologize for not putting the snarky second sentence in blue. I clearly indicated I don't know what I would do because, I don't have enough information.

    Post #2

    Aside for executing some appropriate response to this clear cyber attack by a foreign nation (perhaps some stuxnet variation that plays the Star Spangled Banner over an image of Kim Jong Un getting boned in the ass by an ass), I also think the President needs to make it clear to North Korea and his fellow Americans just what the consequences will be if any violence, connected to this cyber attack, is perpetrated against Americans, here or abroad.

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    I apologize for not putting the snarky second sentence in blue. I clearly indicated I don't know what I would do because, I don't have enough information.
    Yoni, running just as fast as he can.

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    Yoni, running just as fast as he can.
    So, you're claiming that wasn't snark or sarcasm? When it followed a sentence that said I don't know what I'd do, I don't have enough information?

    Okay. You're a champion of conversation, you win the internet today.

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    So, you're claiming that wasn't snark or sarcasm? When it followed a sentence that said I don't know what I'd do, I don't have enough information?
    You posited a rhetorically serious question to Chump immediately afterward. Given the amount of tone-deaf statements you've made on Spurstalk here in the past, I wouldn't find it too far beyond the pale for you to say that.

    Perhaps the most wryly humorous part of your quote is that you just suggested you wouldn't share your opinion when you lack sufficient information. Which, if exercised commonly, would reduce your posting rate here at ST to a mere pittance.

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    It's difficult to tell what's sarcasm or not, tbh... especially coming from a torture apologist...

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    It's difficult to tell what's sarcasm or not, tbh... especially coming from a torture apologist...
    I don't apologize for torture.

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    I don't apologize for torture.
    Not knowing what "apologist" means.

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    Not knowing what "apologist" means.

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