Let's be real, Danny Green is getting the max

**pgardn** · 12-29-2014

Before reading all the way through this post I was thinking that Green is worth 4 years between $28-$30mil. He knows that he is on a good wicket with the Spurs and he will be 28 by the time he starts his next contract. It is a fair price for both parties - he and the Spurs know that he has been having a really good year and playing well (all of his averages this season are higher that his career numbers) but eventually Parker and Leonard will be back and we'll have a full contingent available. If he keeps performing at this rate when everyone is back then his price may go up, but surely it is a product of who is available personnel.

Time will tell however I think that I am on the money with $28-$30mil spread over 4 years

He is on a good wicket?

So if the little wood things fall off the posts that's bad.
Good is the wood things not falling off.
So if they are on a good wicket is that a really sturdy post, or... what the ?

And the running back and forth...
And the big rope way out there...

**ajh18** · 12-29-2014

I don't think max, but I definitely could see it costing us an average of ~$12M over four years to keep Danny.

**crellis** · 12-29-2014

Originally Posted by Chinook

But Duncan and Manu will be gone next year, probably. So Danny will get his touches.

If you are right and both Tim and Manu aren't wearing silver and black next season then the Spurs will have major cap space to play with and will be looking at a big name free agent (whether or not they are successful in that chase is another story)

Originally Posted by pgardn

He is on a good wicket?

So if the little wood things fall off the posts that's bad.
Good is the wood things not falling off.
So if they are on a good wicket is that a really sturdy post, or... what the ?

And the running back and forth...
And the big rope way out there...

My apologies, it is summer time in Australia at the moment and I am watching the cricket between Australia and India - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australi...ch/754741.html

**Chinook** · 12-29-2014

Originally Posted by crellis

If you are right and both Tim and Manu aren't wearing silver and black next season then the Spurs will have major cap space to play with and will be looking at a big name free agent (whether or not they are successful in that chase is another story)

Eh, they won't have a ton of cap space under that scenario. It's possible they decide to stay over the cap, even. I think they'll look for a replacement four for Tim, but Danny should be second in line after Leonard at the wing dinner table.

**Floyd Pacquiao** · 12-29-2014

Originally Posted by timtonymanu

Green > Bowen.

And Bruce will always be my dude.

agreed

**pgardn** · 12-29-2014

Originally Posted by Chinook

The way to defend Klay is to make him put the ball on the floor. , the way to defend ANY shooter is to do that. You don't think defenses wouldn't rather Curry drive? Again, though, Klay isn't a good ball-handler.

Danny gets his share of those, too. But Green also has few plays called for him to get a shot in motion and has an extremely high gravity. In order for Danny to get those shots, the Spurs would have to make a concerted effort to give them to him. Thusofar, they aren't willing to do that. Even ignoring Thompson, Atlanta runs those types of plays for Korver, and Kyle isn't any better than Green with the ball in his hands.

Points in the paint aren't really what people think of when they talk about shooting. Smith isn't good an actually shooting the ball. He can slash and finish, but not when he actually has to go into a shooting motion. Branden Wright led the league in FG% last year, but no one thinks he can shoot.

Personally I don't want Curry or Thompson going past defenders either opening lanes for others when help is required or getting easy layups. That's why they are tough to cover, Curry much more so. Don't want them with uncontested 3's, both are bad.

Green is not gonna get those plays unless he can get to the basket like Manu or Parker. So Yep, we won't see many drives. We would not anyway imo because I have seen Green in the open court, it's not pretty. Even tonight he made an open court layup much tougher than it needed to be, barely went in but he had the guts to try it this year.

I consider guys like Hakeem, Ewing, big guys with deft touch short range, good shooters. Both had great soft baseline short jumpers. But they achieved getting them differently. Many of those shots are paint range they are just on the baseline and the paint does not extend that far. Jabbar was a good shooter. McHale...

I am mixing range with touch perhaps. Duncan has lost a bit of this. I considered him a good shooter when he was quicker pivoting with all his little hooks and bankers and such.

**crellis** · 12-29-2014

Originally Posted by Chinook

Eh, they won't have a ton of cap space under that scenario. It's possible they decide to stay over the cap, even. I think they'll look for a replacement four for Tim, but Danny should be second in line after Leonard at the wing dinner table.

Agree with all of your points - i think that the spurs will be hunting for a 4 to replace Duncan and that the Spurs will stay over the cap once they sign Leonard to a max extension and resign Green. I reckon that they'll do it that order to maximise cap space for external free agents (hence Leonard willing to wait until the upcoming off season to sign his deal).

**pgardn** · 12-29-2014

Originally Posted by crellis

My apologies, it is summer time in Australia at the moment and I am watching the cricket between Australia and India - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australi...ch/754741.html

Well I hope you have lots of beverages.
Set up a campfire and roast some marshmallows.

I hope the pitch is satisfactory for your bowlers.
I hope no one gets hit. Wear a cage.

damn... someone almost yorked themselves..

**trollt** · 12-29-2014

Originally Posted by z0sa

Bowen and Green arent even in the same dimension when it comes to the defensive half of the court.. let's see Green purposely match up with ZBo one night and prime Kobe the next without getting Michael Finley'd

Damn time distorts memory thank you. Bowen fallacies by good posters leave bruce alone!

- Bowen guarded MVP Dirk every second of every game.

but Prime(ish) Tim

- Bowen led the league in 3P% one season.

doesn't know how to slide to the open spot

- Bowen won (defacto) Finals with defense multiple times. Game 6 Nash plays like inside Bowen's iron maiden, Spurs clinch. Game 7 block on Billups stops Piston's final offensive run, Spurs clinch.

But '05 Manu

- Lebron's worst playoffs ever was against Bruce.

but that year Parker was FMVP:

- Like 38 MPG consistently heaviest minutes on team. (was our only three for his entire time here). Cal Ripken Lite he never missed a second for injury except when he nutpunched fatty or turtle I can't remember which one.

**Mal** · 12-29-2014

How much is max for him ? 8 digits ? Nah, he wont get that much. 34/4 or 42/5 is reasonable price to pay.

**timmy2003** · 12-29-2014

Originally Posted by look_at_g_shred

Actually that dude was ballin before his injury in 2013. Speaking of undeserving, let's talk Hayward (insert sick emoji)

Agree. Hayward is ridiculously overpaid

**spurspokesman** · 12-29-2014

3 yrs 27 or 4 years 36

**spurspokesman** · 12-29-2014

A guard who can't create his own shot or dribble well doesn't get max money. But DG is an epic shooter with ice cold veins and he will secure his financial future and has earned every dime coming his way.

**z0sa** · 12-29-2014

Originally Posted by trollt

Damn time distorts memory thank you. Bowen fallacies by good posters leave bruce alone!

- Bowen guarded MVP Dirk every second of every game.

but Prime(ish) Tim

- Bowen led the league in 3P% one season.

doesn't know how to slide to the open spot

- Bowen won (defacto) Finals with defense multiple times. Game 6 Nash plays like inside Bowen's iron maiden, Spurs clinch. Game 7 block on Billups stops Piston's final offensive run, Spurs clinch.

But '05 Manu

- Lebron's worst playoffs ever was against Bruce.

but that year Parker was FMVP:

- Like 38 MPG consistently heaviest minutes on team. (was our only three for his entire time here). Cal Ripken Lite he never missed a second for injury except when he nutpunched fatty or turtle I can't remember which one.

Dude played 500 straight games and shut down superstar after superstar... guarded every position... instilled legendary amounts of hate in opposing players and fans... Green is a beast but he cant and never will be another Bruce.

Kawhi has a shot, but he will always be "held back" by his offensive expenditures of energy. Bruce spent about 105 of his 110% of energy on D every night.

**rmt** · 12-29-2014

Can Spurs afford both Leonard and Green if Duncan decides to play another year (which he seems quite capable of doing at a high level)? I even think Manu can play another year - still looks good in occasional games. They'd probably have to take MLE/LLE type money to keep Leonard and Green though.

**Chinook** · 12-29-2014

Originally Posted by z0sa

Dude played 500 straight games and shut down superstar after superstar... guarded every position... instilled legendary amounts of hate in opposing players and fans... Green is a beast but he cant and never will be another Bruce.

Kawhi has a shot, but he will always be "held back" by his offensive expenditures of energy. Bruce spent about 105 of his 110% of energy on D every night.

The point is that Bowen's "locking down" is what Green and Leonard do on their off nights. It's crazy how the standard has changed. Danny and Kawhi didn't just contain Durant and Westbrook; they straight owned them. Splitter didn't hold Dirk to his average; he took him out of the series. Bruce gets credit for versatility, but his effectiveness against individual players is overrated, in my opinion.

**hater** · 12-29-2014

Nobody said Green is a better defender than Bowen. But as overall basketball player in today's style of game Green > Bowen. Plain and simple.

**DMC** · 12-29-2014

Green wouldn't be good on most other squads. He was being cut in Cleveland. Spurs can take another team's trash and make starters of them. It's proven. , they took a nobody like Gary Neal and made the league covet him.