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Ashbeeigh are you on Tumblr?
I have my opinions and you have your OPINIONS. Name for me a society with a moral code devoid of religion. Fact is you cannot name one. Not now nor in the history of mankind can you name one. Morality in all societies is based on religion which is "God Inspired". Even sucide bombers base their morality on religion. Stop trying in vain to decouple them. Again you cannot beleive in evolution and be against these lifestyle's on the biblical or should i say religious basis of morality.
Its pretty simple for those who arent closed minded and think they know everything.
Ashbeeigh are you on Tumblr?
I have one but never update it.
Funny because you are being quite closed minded about it.
I never disputed that religion can be the catalyst for moral behaviour, but I disagree to your point that it is the only source of morality (and even more that the Bible is the only source).
I have given you a link to a book that deals with exactly the questions that you are asking. The book is a scientific treaty that presents it's finding very well - you might disagree with it, but it certainly opens the door for intelligent societies (humans) to develop and promote a healthy moral code based on self preservation and growth and not religious rules.
But I must say I doubt you understand what morality is when you are trying to introduce religious suicide bombers into the debate. I agree that they are doing it for their religious beliefs, but their acts are the an hesis of morality. Or to put it differently because something is endorsed by a religious organization (or religion) it doesn't automatically make it moral.
If you are open minded and genuinely interested read the book
or don't.
reciprocal altruism
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LOL this has nothing to do with religion.
This has to do with an emotional unbalanced depressed teen who probably had bag parents.
If he didn't kill himself over wanting to be a woman he'd have killed himself over something else.
I swear yall add in a new thing every time. Rape/bondage and young girls (NOT children) are all yall have gotten right
Add asphyxiation to the list of perversions.
Damn, I forgot that one.
I will read your book...which is like Cryptonite for me as a black man....if I find it lacking intellectually we're gonna have a little sit down discussion....
Believe it or not, no, despite it being a big part of many rape porn vids. I'm not into torture, choking, or snuff
Damn, I forgot that one.
Stopped reading after that. Why ask that question if it's not pertinent? You're not, but you somehow feel that parenting knowledge was given to you inductively? You don't choose to love unconditionally. You love unconditionally by default, but tolerance and love are separate things and no, lack of tolerance doesn't indicate lack of love.
What happened to just accepting that some people are assholes and moving on? Dude(tte) doesn't deserve praise for killing himself over his parents not accepting him. Just another en led loser. I'm telling you right now that I wouldn't pay for my kid's sexual reassignment surgery. Wouldn't even consider it. That's the type of thing you don't get to come back from, and a teen's not really in position to understand that. It's my job to make sure they are intact for 17-21 years, and I'm damned-sure not spending thousands of dollars on that sort of mutilation. I'd much rather make them hate me and be sure of what they're doing than for them to love me and regret their decision later.
I don't think this case demonstrates what's wrong with society's gender dichotomy. If anything, it highlights what's wrong with that kid's view. Gender is supposedly an abstract concept that is antiquated, but this bro felt so strongly about his gender that he wanted to change his sex to better identify with it. How in the world does that help the LGBT (forget that QA crap) stance? Dude didn't want to be a woman; he wanted to be female, which simply wasn't going to happen.
Unless some real gnarly stuff comes out that his parents did to him, I don't feel sorry for one bit. Damned shame that people rally behind self-indulgent people like this kid.
Chinook putting the mother ing truth hammer down.
ouch. DMC and Chinook just /thread'ed this thread
I mean, I basically said the same things a few days ago but still. Great posts
Because gender iden y is fluid. We have a pretty solid basis of scientific evidence for this now. It doesn't mean you have to be in the middle, but it doesn't mean you have to be on the extremes, either.
That just underscores what I said. The kid wanted to go from one extreme to another. It's not like he wanted to be in the middle, and people made him pick.
And as I said, it's fluid. Some (perhaps even most) people do find themselves closer to one edge of the spectrum. Why is that harder to believe or accept than if this individual identified as both male and female (i.e., "in the middle")?
Again, underscores what I'm saying. The problem wasn't that society believed in extremes; it was that the boy did. He was the one who didn't accept who he was and wanted surgery to make him feel better. He was the one who killed himself in protest of his parents' actions. This is on him and his self-centered belief system. Society just has to pick up the pieces.
You're making a lot of assumptions here, and I don't think you fully understand what I'm saying. The person in question identified as female and was attempting to take steps to be recognized as such. We have a lot of data about the brain that suggests that there is a large biological component to individuals who feels this way, as in, it's not just some passing notion she had that made her want to change her iden y, but that we have hard data to show the brain is functioning in such a way. It's society's belief that gender and sexual iden y are the same thing and not variable or able to be changed in any way that causes the friction here.
I think you just feel like people who don't agree with you are ignorant and that they dismiss the science. This nothing to do with any of that. A boy couldn't accept who he was (a physical male who was psychologically more of a woman) and wanted to have surgery to better align his body to his self-image. That he wanted to do that was his problem, not society's. He couldn't wait a year until he could do whatever he wanted to his body, decided to kill himself in one of the most selfish ways possible and then make himself seem like a victim. Dude was messed up mentally, and being transgendered was not even close to his biggest issue.
What if he identified as a frog? I guess he just hops on down to the aquarium and they have to accept him, else he croaks himself.
No pun intended!!! RIGHT?!!!!! Haha we kid
Nor can you say with certainty that it wasn't a phase or a form of teenage rebellion.
As a parent of teenagers, I can say that "phases" with kids in high school these days are getting more and more extreme. Not saying that every kid in high school who says they are gay is doing it for attention, but there are a lot of kids doing it for attention. Some are passive-aggressively reacting to a home situation that is not supportive on many levels. Some are fringe kids taking the "I'm not part of the rich cool crowd" to the next shock level. Some are taking advantage of the social celebrity status. And all of this hurts the teenagers who are actually gay and want to be seen as just normal kids and keep the private things where the private things should be. Private is not the same as scared to come out of the closet. Not everyone wants to be the voice or the face of a "movement". Despite what social media seems to shove down our throats, not every gay teenager wants to turn a walk down the hallway between classes into a Gay Parade.
In his senior year, my son had one of his friends commit suicide. Yes, he was gay. But he was also very socially awkward and was easily on the autism/aspergers spectrum. No one can point to any external incidents or patterns at school or at home related to him being gay that drove him to kill himself. He had very supportive parents. He was fighting some battle in his head and lost. But the narrative was that he killed himself because he was gay, because being gay HAD to be the only reason he would kill himself. This is the only narrative we are allowed to have when it comes to bad things happening to teenagers who happen to be gay.
As a parent of teenagers again, I need to support my kids. But supporting my kids doesn't mean doubling down on every "decision" they make in their lives. Sometimes the best way to support them is to not let them act on decisions that they may regret down the road. My job as a parent is not fulfill every desire that my child has; in fact, enablement is a classic form of bad parenting. This is not to say that every action and at ude taken by these specific parents was right or wrong. But if my son came to me at 17 and said he wanted me to fund his transgender process to become my daughter, I would have refused as well. That is a forever life-altering decision that needs to be made with a bit more maturity and a lot less teenage high school social angst. And there is nothing wrong with me refusing to do this. Nor is there anything wrong with thinking it is wrong. I don't have to accept everything that my kids do just because they are my kids. Again, loving my kids doesn't equate to enabling every desire that they have.
This extreme and unfortunate situation is what drives a very false narrative that all gay teens are "loud and proud" and all of their Christian parents are praying the gay out of them. The exception gets championed as the norm, and the internets get full of debates about horrible parents who don't fund transgender operations for their boys who are not of legal age to make those decisions for themselves.
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