Obummer: "Free" College for Everyone!

[TeyshaBlue]

There are worse ways to spend 75 billion per...but the costs will e without price regulation...

Bingo.

[TeyshaBlue]

Varies by people, tbh...

Access to education is one area where I don't have a problem with government spending. Especially with the BS tuition prices...

Double bingo.

[Winehole23]

why can't we just be like the Germans, make it free, but make it really hard to get in?

[Winehole23]

I guess the idea that not everyone is equally well suited to every kind of work is still considered anti-egalitarian.

[boutons_deux]

why can't we just be like the Germans, make it free, but make it really hard to get in?

nope, American fantasy is that "All (white) Mean Are Created Equal", "tracking" students in middle school into academic and non-academic paths could prevent a non-academic kid from being a Nobel recipient.

[Nbadan]

We should be spending far more on it.

Our schools are just fine, despite the scaremongering.

Not great, but not as bad as many like to think. The Outrage Machine makes more money by playing up the faults and ignoring the good parts.

I wouldn't mind paying teachers with proven success at teaching get paid more...but whenever a district gets money they waste it on other, sometimes frivolous, needs..Perhaps a bigger tax deduction for teachers would be a better approach...

[Nbadan]

Free markets and their inherent negative/positive feedbacks have their place, but education is not one of the things where one can apply free market principles to, as the assumptions and mechanisms required breakdown.

Education is simply not something that lends itself to "free market" solutions, any more than health care does.

I don't care how you structure education...private or public...as long as no-child-left-behind gets repealed...it's stupid...there can't be one standard for every student...right now, special education students, would can't even feed themselves, must meet the same passing standard as top students in public schools..

[baseline bum]

why can't we just be like the Germans, make it free, but make it really hard to get in?

Yeah, I think if you're not in the academic track but want in you can work for a couple of years to get some experience needed to succeed in college. I remember taking a functional analysis course on coursera and there was a German guy doing that to get into their universities.

[Silver&Black]

"free"

[Agloco]

It's good to be a doctor though. Thebesteva is the only poor doctor (atleast he pretends to be) that i know. I'm pretty sure he's wetting himself at night thinking of the day he'll delivery of a Porsche 911. The 911 is all doctors think of once they finish residency tbh.

There are plenty of general practice docs who are just above break even.

There are worse investments than education for the masses.

[baseline bum]

There are worse investments than education for the masses.

About 1/10 of what Bush handed the banks.

[Agloco]

Most majors only require Algebra 2....which I think can be taught at a community college..

That's ing sad.

naturally BB would be appalled by this (as am I). Troof is, most 50k jobs don't require a lick of knowledge beyond 7th grade math though. It's also acceptable as a stepping stone to jobs requiring a bit more of an analytic/quan ative background.

[baseline bum]

naturally BB would be appalled by this (as am I). Troof is, most 50k jobs don't require a lick of knowledge beyond 7th grade math though. It's also acceptable as a stepping stone to jobs requiring a bit more of an analytic/quan ative background.

I find it appalling to get college credit for taking a second/third year high school class.

[Agloco]

I find it appalling to get college credit for taking a second/third year high school class.

Oh, definitely agree. im of the same persusion as WH on this one. Entry requirements need to be ratcheted up, that would probably include making Calculus an exit requirement for high school.

[CosmicCowboy]

I find it appalling to get college credit for taking a second/third year high school class.

Feel free to correct me, but don't those "makeup" classes to get basics not count towards their major?

[baseline bum]

Feel free to correct me, but don't those "makeup" classes to get basics not count towards their major?

I think college algebra () satisfies math requirements for non-engineering and non-science majors. Too bad the engineering and science students don't get to take high school English.

[baseline bum]

Oh, definitely agree. im of the same persusion as WH on this one. Entry requirements need to be ratcheted up, that would probably include making Calculus an exit requirement for high school.

Our schools are such . Blows me away when I talk to French and German students who take analysis with measure theory and abstract algebra in second year undergrad. I can live with precal as an exit requirement though.

[boutons_deux]

best way to finance community colleges for everyone is for US govt immediately to stop giviing student loans to kids who attend for-profit colleges and give those grants, loans only to student at non-profit community colleges, trade schools.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8pjd1QEA0c


and then there's Harken gone completely insane:

Tom Harkin Wants To Take Money From College Students To Pay Reviled Loan Contractors

has proposed taking $303 million from the Pell grant program to increase revenues for some of the nation’s biggest student loan specialists,\

Harkin has also floated the possibility of taking $2 billion out of the Pell program to use for other federal programs,

The department spent $678 million on loan servicing in the fiscal year that ended in September 2013

The U.S. Department of Justice accused Navient of deliberately cheating as many as 60,000 active-duty troops out of as much as $60 million

At the moment, the program has about a $4.4 billion surplus as a result of unused funding from previous years. Assuming Congress doesn’t alter the amount of money it makes available for Pell grants, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the surplus will become a deficit by 2017.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6278920.html

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...lege/21466969/

Translation: Obummer wants to gouge the taxpayers for a watered-down college "education" from the same people who ruined K-12 schools.

We already have too many college educated/indoctrinated people as it is.

Do we really want more?

The fight for good hobs will be greater, and all burger flippers will have 4 year degrees, meaning McDonalds won't be hiring college dropouts!

[Wild Cobra]

Basically it just creates K-14. Sadly, it does nothing to address the actual cost of "higher" education which has risen at more than double the inflation rate for decades. The price increases were driven by "easy money" student loans which are now killing the recipients of the bloated cost degrees they purchased.

Yes, and I don't think our 14th graders will be better educated than an 8th grader in the 50's.

[Wild Cobra]

Would require strict requirements
- 3.0 GPA
- Atleast 15 credits attempted


Then I think most people would be for it

I would agree if I wasn't worried about schools propping grades for such purposes.

I would make it a 3.5 GPA plus for free college though.

[RandomGuy]

I think college algebra () satisfies math requirements for non-engineering and non-science majors. Too bad the engineering and science students don't get to take high school English.

http://catalog.utexas.edu/undergradu...f-arts-plan-i/

Negative. Algebra is required, but you are required to take ONE math beyond the basic algebra.

I took trig, and one other math course for liberal arts dorks that had a lot of oddball topics related to math in it, (i.e. voting systems analysis, Euler circuits, bin processing, etc)

I was, at 27, older than the grad student teaching the trig class. Algebra I managed to CLEP out of (I consider this one of my better accomplishments as I took the test cold 6 years after my last HS algebra).

Minimal math to be sure, but then, I was a language major.

[baseline bum]

http://catalog.utexas.edu/undergradu...f-arts-plan-i/

Negative. Algebra is required, but you are required to take ONE math beyond the basic algebra.

I took trig, and one other math course for liberal arts dorks that had a lot of oddball topics related to math in it, (i.e. voting systems analysis, Euler circuits, bin processing, etc)

I was, at 27, older than the grad student teaching the trig class. Algebra I managed to CLEP out of (I consider this one of my better accomplishments as I took the test cold 6 years after my last HS algebra).

Minimal math to be sure, but then, I was a language major.

Trig is junior level HS math.

Man I wish I could have taken high school English or high school history in college tbh. And you still got credit for high school algebra.

[Infinite_limit]

It blows my mind that people receive college diplomas without passing Calculus

[baseline bum]

It blows my mind that people receive college diplomas without passing Calculus

I'd be fine with it if we didn't have to take their ing humanities courses. What a load of crap, I have to take English in an impacted course with all the humanities majors but those pricks don't have to take my calc or linear algebra?