Parker stats since "returning"

[Malik Hairston]

I wonder if Phoenix would package Dragic in a deal for Parker, tbh..probably not, but it would be worth exploring..

[Pauleta14]

Amazed that people are still ignoring how poor Parker played in last year's playoffs, tbh..

I do agree that the Spurs need 1 of Manu or Parker to be effective to win the championship, thankfully Manu had a dominant run last year, and it looks like he has much more left in the tank than Parker does..

Parker just hasn't been anything more than a hit or miss, above average player since game 6 of the 2013 Finals..he had an above average regular season, last year, and a mediocre playoff run..

Stop trying to re-write history, you're making a fool of yourself...

[Malik Hairston]

Stop trying to re-write history, you're making a fool of yourself...

The numbers speak for themselves, I didn't create them..

[cd98]

Amazed that people are still ignoring how poor Parker played in last year's playoffs, tbh..

I do agree that the Spurs need 1 of Manu or Parker to be effective to win the championship, thankfully Manu had a dominant run last year, and it looks like he has much more left in the tank than Parker does..

Parker just hasn't been anything more than a hit or miss, above average player since game 6 of the 2013 Finals..he had an above average regular season, last year, and a mediocre playoff run..

It's funny because I remember a clip of Coach Pop telling Parker how good he was playing during the playoffs. Of course, you are probably one of the posters that wants to fire Pop as well. And just so you know, the entire Spurs system has made players hit or miss. Tim Duncan is hit or miss and he is one of the best big men in the game to this day and can still dial up a 28 point 14 rebound game, when asked. But often he gets less than 30 minutes and 12 shots. The offense doesn't obligate that any one player average 20 points. If you're open and in a good rhythm, you get the shots except that Parker and Manu are assigned to create when the shot clock starts running low.

[Pauleta14]

The numbers speak for themselves, I didn't create them..

We don't beat the mavs without him, he destroys Lillard the first 3 games, ACCEPTED not being the 1st option for the greater good (remember Pop's speach) for the next rounds having also hamstring issues (what a pussy being injured isn't it?).

Anyway, nobody said he was dominating, deserved mvp discussions or I don't know what bothers you exactly...

My point is just stop disrespecting/insulting a player who plays for your favorite(?) team for 14 years and basicaly does... what Pop asks him to do.

If he really had an 'enrique' character ( like ALL the other allstar guards) he wouldn't have accepted all the sacrifices Pop asked him to do through the years.

Don't be selective with your memory...

PS/ I answered "candidly" (and admire Brazil patience) thinking you might not just be a troll...

[cd98]

Amazed that people are still ignoring how poor Parker played in last year's playoffs, tbh..

I do agree that the Spurs need 1 of Manu or Parker to be effective to win the championship, thankfully Manu had a dominant run last year, and it looks like he has much more left in the tank than Parker does..

Parker just hasn't been anything more than a hit or miss, above average player since game 6 of the 2013 Finals..he had an above average regular season, last year, and a mediocre playoff run..

Last year Parker averaged 17 points on 48% shooting in the playoffs. How is that a mediocre playoff run? Does he have to average Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan playoff numbers to earn your respect? And yet Manu had a "dominant run" last year and averaged 12 points on 42% shooting. Your conclusions don't add up. And I'm not bagging on Manu because his 12 points a game average is good. Not Kobe Bryant good, but Spur player good.

[Malik Hairston]

Playoff numbers:

7th in PER among rotation players
7th in virtually all Adjusted On/Off metrics
9th in TS%
8th in Win Shares

It was actually worse than mediocre, but I'm giving him points for his "presence" helping the Spurs(although the on/off numbers don't support that, but I digress)..

He also didn't even ing play in the most important half/OT of the entire playoff run..

Outside of game 7 vs. the Mavs and a few of the Portland games, he didn't show up at any point in the playoffs..

[Malik Hairston]

To be fair, Tony Parker has only had 1 or 2 decent playoff runs throughout his career, tbh..he's a notorious playoff under-performer/choker..

2006-2007 and 2012-2013(until the most important games of the year, 6 and 7 vs. Miami) are his only standout playoff runs..not necessarily a knock on him, since virtually all star PGs disappear in the playoffs, tbh..

[Chinook]

Come on, you have +10k posts and still trolling (?), drunk or your hate blinds you buddy...

If you think we don't need his penetrations, +50% shooting, knowledge of systems, ball handling... well...

Maybe it was lost in translation. My post wasn't a "Parker has no place on the Spurs" thing. It was more a "It's going to be interesting to see where the balance between Parker-centric sets and sets for other players ends up being" thing. If you think the Spurs ran the same offense two years ago that they do now, you haven't paid much attention. Just as the team is trying to find out how to get Kawhi his touches in a way that doesn't break the flow of the offense, so too must they do so with Tony.

And it matters. The way that Green and Splitter get their touches now is completely different than how they did in 2012. They'd have to readjust to a ball-dominant (and really effective) Parker.

[Mr Bones]

In light of how well the Spurs played in last year's playoffs, it's hard to argue with the rotational calls made by Pop. I'd bet there'll be more minutes per game this year in the playoffs for the Mills/Joseph combo and fewer for Parker... it's a natural part of the team's evolution. I don't see anything being stated in this thread would be news to Pop.

[Nathan89]

Using pts and shooting % as your main talking points because the professionals on espn use them

[Pauleta14]

Maybe it was lost in translation. My post wasn't a "Parker has no place on the Spurs" thing. It was more a "It's going to be interesting to see where the balance between Parker-centric sets and sets for other players ends up being" thing. If you think the Spurs ran the same offense two years ago that they do now, you haven't paid much attention. Just as the team is trying to find out how to get Kawhi his touches in a way that doesn't break the flow of the offense, so too must they do so with Tony.

And it matters. The way that Green and Splitter get their touches now is completely different than how they did in 2012. They'd have to readjust to a ball-dominant (and really effective) Parker.

I'll admit my english is not perfect, but these are your words...

Otherwise I agree with what you just said, the best thing that happened to the spurs last year was that our offense stopped depending on Tony's production.
Although we almost won a championship that way (Tony's PO that year were amazing and will remain forgotten because we didn't win and an injury slowed him the last 3 games of the finals) it was a real weakness. Smart coaches just had to focus on cutting the "head of the snake".

What I don't understand is your "we don't need Tony to dominate the ball...". Of course we don't need that! Who said otherwise?
The team has taken this transition since LAST YEAR!
Remember Rondo's comments on Tony about last finals? He watch closely tp's game and as a PROFESSIONAL/ELITE PG PLAYING IN THE NBA, he was impressed by Tony's unselfishness and work that doesn't appear in the stats (the constant movement, knowing where to be, the "hokey assists", the understanding that it was more difficult for the heat to defend when them if the ball didn't stick in his hand...).

I mean, how can we talk that easily and early about him being expandable?

He is having a bad season due to injuries, his stats are bad due to Pop management/being conservative and MAINLY the process of coming back from a muscle injury that needs patience. Especially for a player who's game is based on movement/running...
We have no chances of repeat without Tony (and Manu, Tim, Kahwi, Danny...) and I don't understand how anybody who follow the spurs for a long time and who is not trolling can doubt that.

[benstanfield]

I wonder if Phoenix would package Dragic in a deal for Parker, tbh..probably not, but it would be worth exploring..

No smart GM will trade for that contract. Gonna need to find one of many immensely stupid GMs to give us a useful expiring. Knicks, Nets, Clippers, the usual suspects.

Also takes complaining about complaining from the usual suspects

[Johnny RIngo]

Last year Parker averaged 17 points on 48% shooting in the playoffs. How is that a mediocre playoff run? Does he have to average Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan playoff numbers to earn your respect? And yet Manu had a "dominant run" last year and averaged 12 points on 42% shooting. Your conclusions don't add up. And I'm not bagging on Manu because his 12 points a game average is good. Not Kobe Bryant good, but Spur player good.

FG% is archaic and mostly useless. TS% is a better measure of efficiency. Parker averaged 17.4 ppg on .531 TS% in the playoffs last year which isn't really that great. Mediocre is the correct word here. A good first option should be scoring on at least .55 TS%. Compare his numbers to the other three best scorers on the Spurs last year:

Duncan: 16.3 ppg on .568 TS%
Leonard: 14.3 ppg on .606 TS%
Ginobili: 14.3 ppg on .593 TS%

All much more efficienct that Parker.

Parker had a 103 ORtg in the playoffs - 2nd to last among ALL Spurs players. This is horrific for a point guard. Pretty much shows us that Parker was doing a poor job running the offense. Compare that to the other high usage players on the Spurs:

120 ORtg - Duncan
119 ORtg - Leonard
113 ORtg - Manu

Parker only had four good games in the entire post-season - the three games against Portland and the game 7 against Dallas. In almost every other game, he was more useful sitting on the bench.

[Mr Bones]

FG% is archaic and mostly useless. TS% is a better measure of efficiency. Parker averaged 17.4 ppg on .531 TS% in the playoffs last year which isn't really that great. Mediocre is the correct word here. A good first option should be scoring on at least .55 TS%. Compare his numbers to the other three best scorers on the Spurs last year:

Duncan: 16.3 ppg on .568 TS%
Leonard: 14.3 ppg on .606 TS%
Ginobili: 14.3 ppg on .593 TS%

All much more efficienct that Parker.

Parker had a 103 ORtg in the playoffs - 2nd to last among ALL Spurs players. This is horrific for a point guard. Pretty much shows us that Parker was doing a poor job running the offense. Compare that to the other high usage players on the Spurs:

120 ORtg - Duncan
119 ORtg - Leonard
113 ORtg - Manu

Parker only had four good games in the entire post-season - the three games against Portland and the game 7 against Dallas. In almost every other game, he was more useful sitting on the bench.

So how do you explain Parker playing 35 mpg against Miami, and the Spurs destroying them in historic fashion? Is that a glitch in the statistical analysis, kind of like Bonner being a +/- star? Because, clearly, the rotational decisions made by Pop seemed to work pretty well. Do you think the Spurs were just so much better than the Heat that even playing the wrong guys couldn't stop them from dominating a team that one year earlier beat them in 7?

[sook]

Parker es heart of el spuros.

[Pauleta14]

So how do you explain Parker playing 35 mpg against Miami, and the Spurs destroying them in historic fashion? Is that a glitch in the statistical analysis, kind of like Bonner being a +/- star? Because, clearly, the rotational decisions made by Pop seemed to work pretty well. Do you think the Spurs were just so much better than the Heat that even playing the wrong guys couldn't stop them from dominating a team that one year earlier beat them in 7?

Those posters thinking they know better than Pop...

[Diego20]

FG% is archaic and mostly useless. TS% is a better measure of efficiency. Parker averaged 17.4 ppg on .531 TS% in the playoffs last year which isn't really that great. Mediocre is the correct word here. A good first option should be scoring on at least .55 TS%. Compare his numbers to the other three best scorers on the Spurs last year:

Duncan: 16.3 ppg on .568 TS%
Leonard: 14.3 ppg on .606 TS%
Ginobili: 14.3 ppg on .593 TS%

All much more efficienct that Parker.

Parker had a 103 ORtg in the playoffs - 2nd to last among ALL Spurs players. This is horrific for a point guard. Pretty much shows us that Parker was doing a poor job running the offense. Compare that to the other high usage players on the Spurs:

120 ORtg - Duncan
119 ORtg - Leonard
113 ORtg - Manu

Parker only had four good games in the entire post-season - the three games against Portland and the game 7 against Dallas. In almost every other game, he was more useful sitting on the bench.

[hater]

Those posters thinking they know better than Pop...

[Mr Bones]

Again, I can't help but notice that some posters here mention stats that support their opinions, but conveniently leave out stats that wouldn't hold up to any real scrutiny...

This season:

117 ORtg: Jeff Aryes
104 ORtg: Boris Diaw

114 ORtg: Aron Baynes
106 ORtg: Kawhi Leonard

116 ORtg: Matt Bonner
111 ORtg: Danny Green

Statisical analysis has glitches in it.

[FkLA]

Using PPG or the fact that the team won the le is something Kobe fan does. As is ignoring advanced metrics.

In '13 the Spurs don't come a meltdown away from winning the le with another PG other than Parker and the numbers support that. In '14 he was much more replaceable and the numbers support that. Currently, he is terrible and arguably the third best PG on the team and the numbers also support that. Numbers don't lie not sure why Enrique fans are so reluctant to accept them or claiming posters are fabricating them. Statistically he is a bottom 10 defender in the league, isn't getting to and scoring around the paint like he used to, isn't hitting his mid-range jumper and isn't setting up teammates like he used to. Blame it on the mild asscheek strain (even though he took a month off for it and played the second most minutes on the team just two games ago) if you'd like but the fact remains that right now he is a cancer.

He's definitely useful when he can penetrate and create offense for himself or the team but he's not doing that right now. If he can magically start doing that again and become an average defender, then he'll be useful again. It'd be nice for no other reason than it would give Tim and Manu a much deserved break but until then he deserves all the he is getting. Whatever he did in the past doesn't make him a good player right now.

[FkLA]

Again, I can't help but notice that some posters here mention stats that support their opinions, but conveniently leave out stats that wouldn't hold up to any real scrutiny...

This season:

117 ORtg: Jeff Aryes
104 ORtg: Boris Diaw

114 ORtg: Aron Baynes
106 ORtg: Kawhi Leonard

116 ORtg: Matt Bonner
111 ORtg: Danny Green

Statisical analysis has glitches in it.

How about this:

Updated On-Off numbers for the Spurs. Positive impact players in black. Negative impact in red. Some observations:

-Team desperately needs Kawhi back. By far, the most impactful player on the team.
-Team needs Tony to go away. His play this season has been cancerous. Misses weeks at a time. Never cheers his teammates. Sulks on the bench. Comes back and only plays one half of basketball while ruining the team chemistry. Promised 60 million over the next four years...despite having the lowest impact of all our key players. Earn your paycheck or get the off the team Frenchie.
-Patty's been great so far. Provides so much energy to the bench unit and hustles on both ends of the floor.
-Splitter's defense has been bad this season. He just came back from injury so I guess we can cut him some slack. Hopefully we see some improvement in the coming weeks.
-Marco's one of the worst defenders in Spur history. His contribution on offense is negligible compared to how much he gives back on defense. Just a terrible, terrible player. It's not surprising we're struggling when we have someone so bad filling in for Leonard in the starting lineup.
- at Austin Daye's numbers. How is this guy still in the NBA?


Leonard:



Patty:



Manu:



Danny:



Diaw:



TD:



Cojo



Bonner:



Tiago:



Baynes:



Errors



Enrique



Marco the Cancer



Kyle Anderson



Daye

At some point, when literally nothing supports 2014-2015 Enrique being a good player, it stops being a glitch/anomaly.

[Brazil]

To be fair

I'll go SBM style...

[james evans]

Premature ejaculation thread. Tony is playing poorly. But 10 posts every game by the same handful of posters shows trolling or obsession. TP is improving his speed every game, which is the core improvement needed. In a month, I am hopeful that he will be at least as fast as he was in 2014 when he was clicking, but who knows.

Some of you younger, less experienced posters need to stop, unless you are just whoring for attention. Any valuable posters on this site are being driven away. A forum is not just a place to yourself for attention like some resurrected MySpace.

Right now TP to me has a confidence problem and is forcing things a bit. At the same time, like Derrick Rose, he seems to be favoring his hamstring and is overly cautious in turning on the jets -- hence the two blocks by Humphries last night.

parker will be 33 this year. at 33 years old, u aren't improving on any speed. it's all downhill from there. I was 33 years ago and at that age, i was getting no more faster or improving anything having to do with quickness. It's all downhill from there.

[Pauleta14]

I don't want to offend anyone, this is just basketball, but...

Your (Fkla, testies, the op...) analysis are based on the same "logic"/mechanism of all those religious extremists.

As rational your logic might looks (sometimes) when you explain it, it's pointless if you only take into account the facts/stats that suits your opinion and it is very effective on those who don't know much about the subject/"newbies".

You guys are en le to your opinion, nothing wrong about not being a fan of TP's game for instance, but again, why so much hate/agressivity toward a player who has the trust of one of the best coach in the history of the game? (not taking into account the 14 years, 4 les...)

Why, despite what you all call a ty season from Tony, Pop and RC offered him a max extention? Just to say thx for what you have done? Or what you will do for us?

When you right your posts, do you think you hold the truth? That you know better than Pop?