What's Worse.. Seahawks Play-Call, or 6?

[dabom]

this thread. So ing depressing. I can feel their pain.

[Sean Cagney]

And based off how we look this year I wouldnt be surprised if we didnt win it in 2014 if we had won it in 2013, so in my opinion, we made up for the loss 100%

Yes, 100% agreed.

Spurs loss is way worse. Sure Seattle OC blew the last call. Spurs had to have like 7 things go wrong to lose Game 6. And all of it happened. Plus the Spurs had the lead. Seattle was still behind when they turned the ball over and required a lucky play to get as close as they did.

Seattle and football fans would disagree the Spurs loss is way worse, but of course us as fans would say that. It was a choke and they blew a le yes but at the one yard line for the win is just as bad if not worse, then the play calling when you have BEAST MODE? Tim sat out situations like that most of the year as Pop said and right or not he did it for a reason again and it backfired! The OC for the Seahawks though said they were going to run the next play and just wanted to burn some clock? Well if Lynch gets stopped you burn some damn clock and then call a TO then have two more plays to run it in! I disagree on way worse but it's subjective.

[Sean Cagney]

Seahawks. Lost the game on one bad play call, and they had no other chances.

The Spurs didn't lose game 6 on one play in the closing minutes. Make a free throw, defend better, grab a rebound, even maybe keep Duncan in the game. All could've changed the outcome of game 6. Plus they still could have won in overtime and, after all that they still had another chance to win in game 7. Allen's shot was not even a game winner, the Spurs still had a series lead going into overtime. They had their chances to win overtime or game 7 but failed. I say no excuses, no regrets.

Sounds alot like the Packers loss more so honestly than this Superbowl with all that went wrong and it went to OT, eerily similar in fact......

this thread. So ing depressing. I can feel their pain.

We all can, but #5 has since eased that pain bigtime. That night though and the whole week and summer I felt deflated after that loss, so yes I know fully how they feel except they have no game 7 to try and win it (Although I knew it was over after 6 there was still a small shot to win it).

[Ice009]

I'm definitely picking the Seahawks though.

The Spurs still had an OT and Game 7 to redeem themselves. Miami was just better that year.

Seahawks literally had that game, more so than we did.

The Seahawks loss is a little worse because they didn't get an overtime or another game to play.

And no way were Miami better. Spurs proved they were the better team. They handed them the trophy. Spurs gave it away (thanks in part to Pop's stupid coaching starting the 4th quarter with a scrub lineup and then pulling Tim). If there was any doubt they were better, they proved it the following season. I won't ever say Miami was the better team. They won it, but they weren't the better team.

[cd021]

I'm definitely picking the Seahawks though.

The Spurs still had an OT and Game 7 to redeem themselves. Miami was just better that year.

Seahawks literally had that game, more so than we did.

Not a homer take but the Spur were the superior team. Parker, Ginobili, Splitter, & Neal were all inconsistent or flat out bad not to mention Diaw was still 1.0.

[cd021]

Seahawks loss is far worse imo. Spurs had OT to recover plus Game 7. Seattle had a 10 point lead in the 4th and had the ball on the the 3 with two plays remaining, and only trailing by four with 20 seconds remaining. Terrible play calling stopped the repeat.

[tmtcsc]

The Seahawks play was worse. Miami had to make two 3 pointers to even put the game in to O.T. Seattle completely the bed with the absolute worst, riskiest play call I've ever seen in a Super Bowl, or any other game for that matter. Just awful. I don't give a damn about either team, didn't have any money on the game but felt terrible for the Seahawks fans. Someone needs to get fired.

[8FOR!3]

Pretty equal, honestly. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory at the highest apex of the sport on the grandest stage is absolutely brutal. No two ways about it.

Doubt the Seahawks win next year, so probably that is worse. The Spurs avenged their heartbreak in the most incredible way possible.

At the same time, as a fan I think it sucked more at the time bc we had no idea we were gonna have another shot at the le after we lost. The Seahawks had already gotten that first Super Bowl last year.

[cjw]

Dude, Im gonna call bull on your percentages. When the Heat had it cut to 3 with 15 seconds or whatever, I guarantee the odds of that game were drastically different than when we were up 5 with 25 seconds. And if you think the odds of Lynch getting in the end zone were less than 75% then you need some serious help.

It never was more than ~75% win percentage down the stretch: http://live.advancednflstats.com/

It's not what I "think". It's a computer model that runs off tons of data. I was originally just quoting Barnwell who was using a different source:
?@billbarnwell: Seahawks win expectancy was 64% before the INT. https://t.co/GA12FOJLiG

Anyway, with 25 seconds and only one TO, Seattle would have risked having only two good plays and a rushed attempt on 4th down with three running plays. They took the option of passing on 2nd instead of 3rd/4th down hoping to catch the Pats off guard. Didn't work.

[Killakobe81]

Why is any of that relevant?

I didn't say it was completely Wilson's fault, I'm just puzzled as to why nobody is putting any blame on him, when that's how it generally works in the NFL..

There's little logic being utilized when allocating credit and blame to NFL QBs..a guy like Romo can throw a pass and is WR can drop it into the DB's hands, but Romo will receive all the blame..that's just how it works at the QB position in the NFL..

So, I don't know why Carroll is receiving 100% of the blame, while the QB threw the game-ending INT from the 1 isn't receiving any..

Im with Harlem. I am a Wilson apologist (i always seem to defend the unpopular guys on here) but I think it is bad read/throw. I get it was a "quick" play. And not much time to see it before you throw it ...and it being a "pocket pass" and him being short tough to get a clear view as he is throwing that pass. But if that was Stafford, Romo heck even Peyton the "choker" stuff would be thrown around ...but because Russ has a ring, is a well spoken black man who loves GOD (nothing wrong with that) he is not getting murdered only Pete and Bevell ...

I am convinced the majority of media and the common fan is full of ... and cant analyze any sport clearly ...

[TheGreatYacht]

6.

The game last night came down to 1 horrible play.

In Game 6, the coach ed up not benching a certain player EIGHT times

[Raven]

the first one wins overwhelmingly. It's the perfect example of statpadding and trying to artificially create a star, costing a team a sb.

[cd98]

Yeah Tony going ing beast mode and hitting an unbeleivable 3 over Lebron and getting steals left and right and pretty much single handedly winning the game wasnt lucky

LOL comparing Tony hitting a three pointer in a game to a guy going long, falling down, ball bouncing off his defender and player catching while the ball bobbled around in his hand.

[SpurSwag]

What's worse in terms of the collapse? The spurs situation, because the court was being roped off, the championship trophy was being brought in, and the spurs had a 5 point lead with 28 seconds. It was pretty much a fact that we had won already. The Seahawks still had work to do, and there were still things that could go wrong even if they had given it to Beast Mode. However, the Seahawks ed up a lot more than the Spurs did. The Seahawks not getting this ring is completely their fault for just a horrible play call, whereas the Spurs just got really unlucky. I may be one of the few that don't think sitting Tim down on that play we needed a rebound was the worst decision consiering how slow he is closing out on shooters, the bigger mistake was not fouling bosh once he came down with the board but i don't blame our guys for not thinking 100% in the heat of that moment. The seahawks play was just stupid.

[Old School 44]

Seahawks. Sure maybe Wilson shouldn't have thrown it, but the play should have NEVER been called!Then to top it off, you get Carroll after the game trying to explain the call as a way to kill time? Huh??? Dumb and Dumber. If that's really what you wanted to do (and I don't advise it), have Lynch or Wilson run it into the line and fall down short of the goal line! In that situation, you try to score the first opportunity you get. Stop playing scared...score as quick as you can and let one of the top ranked defenses stop Brady for less than 30 seconds. If Brady gets them in FG range and they win, so be it.

[cjw]

Marshawn fumbled on ~1% of touches this year and throughout his career (with about half of those lost). That was the first INT on over 100 passes from inside the 1 all year. Given that there were only 25 seconds on the clock + 1 TO, Seattle knew it would be hard to get off three straight running plays so took the gamble on 2nd down.

Say what you want to about Harvin, but that pick has to go partly on Seattle's wide out. You can't let the corner get position on you there - worst case should be an incomplete. That's a play they really could have used him in the slot. This coming from a guy who lost a fantasy league years ago on a tiebreak when Harvin put up a donut.

My thoughts on expected win percentage were really to illustrate that MIA's expected win % was lower than NE's in that situation. Down four with 28 seconds to go, fouling an 80% FT shooter is much tougher than stuffing a team 2-3 times at the one. Had Seattle scored with 30+ seconds on the clock, New England still had a timeout or two and time to move down field for a FG.

[Beaverfuzz]

Seattle's was worse hands down, they had it won and blew it, at least the spurs had another shot in game 7. This was inexplicable, everyone thought the game was over.

This is the correct answer. Spurs did have another shot and couldn't finish it off.

[lefty]

6 was worse because my team lost

And Pete Carroll's up allowed my Pats to win

And allowed me to give a new Avatar to Brazil


How do you like his new avy tbh ?

[Beaverfuzz]

Marshawn fumbled on ~1% of touches this year and throughout his career (with about half of those lost). That was the first INT on over 100 passes from inside the 1 all year. Given that there were only 25 seconds on the clock + 1 TO, Seattle knew it would be hard to get off three straight running plays so took the gamble on 2nd down.

Say what you want to about Harvin, but that pick has to go partly on Seattle's wide out. You can't let the corner get position on you there - worst case should be an incomplete. That's a play they really could have used him in the slot. This coming from a guy who lost a fantasy league years ago on a tiebreak when Harvin put up a donut.

My thoughts on expected win percentage were really to illustrate that MIA's expected win % was lower than NE's in that situation. Down four with 28 seconds to go, fouling an 80% FT shooter is much tougher than stuffing a team 2-3 times at the one. Had Seattle scored with 30+ seconds on the clock, New England still had a timeout or two and time to move down field for a FG.

Problem is, the corner didn't have a play on that ball when originally thrown...Wilson threw a bad ball that the corner had a good opportunity to get.

[313]

To put it in perspective, let's say it's game 7 of the NBA finals. Lebron just scored to put the Heat up 1 point, and there are 5 seconds left. Oh, but then the Heat fall asleep on defense and Kawhi gets behind the whole team. Timmy throws a perfect pass down court to Kawhi. HE RUNS, HE GOES UP FOR THE DUNK... and the ball slips out of his hand out of bounds. Time expires, and the Spurs lose the championship.

That would be the only NBA type equivalent I can think of

[beirmeistr]

I think they are comparable in the sense that in each case, the team that lost was within seconds of winning a championship. Sure the Spurs had 1 more shot, but they were numb after the ending of game 6.
It speaks volumes about Pops skill that he kept the Spurs in revenge mode all of last season so that they could redeem themselves and take the trophy from their nemesis.

[EVAY]

Look, people (including the Spurs) love to moan abut 6 losing us the championship. But as others pointed out, we still had overtime and we still had game 7. We didn't get it done.

I think the Spurs have always had a tough time mentally getting over things. 2013-2014 season was a march because they didn't get it done in 6 overtime or in 7.

Normally, in a 7 game series, the one that wins 4 games is considered the best team. Maybe only mentally, but still.

[ginobilized]

Seahawks collapse was worse....they still had a slim chance before they mentally lost it. The offsides, the brawl, the ludicrous play calling is going to be much harder to recover from than 6.

It is a minor miracle that the Spurs were compe ive in a Game 7 after that loss. I doubt the Seahawks see the Superbowl in 2016.

[TheGreatYacht]

Almost forgot about this 10 secs left... No timeout... Manu just wants to be your hero

[ElNono]

In Game 6, the coach ed up not benching a certain player EIGHT times

He's benched on that video...