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    Were there any assists from Parker to Kawhi?

    http://www.nba.com/games/20150206/MI...fo.html?ls=slt

    Look at play-by-play
    I think we all knew it wasn't like EVAY said. It's fine though. I think we all knew what he was trying to get at.

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    You are free to have and express your opinion, however mis-guided or intellectually barren it may be.
    Your take was almost as bad as chinook telling me kawhi didn't shut down westbrook in game 5 last year.

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    It's not like he can have a good postseason game in the middle of the season.

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    Yes, and it has failed time and time again with Parker at the helm. The Spurs have always been an average team at best even when it's working at 100% lmao. It got us plenty of regular season wins, and a load of playoff failures. It took Manu/Diaw running point to unlock this offense's true potential last year.

    Parker takes too long to create, and his court vision is far too limited for this team period. This used to work great when we didn't have such a talented offensive roster.

    Freeing up Parker can take upwards of 5 secs. running him off numerous screens, once TP gets the ball, another 5 secs trying to break down the defense. If he fails to break down the defense, chances are he'll bring it back out and try again (Thus you get the dribble dribble dribble). Meanwhile he's completely taken his teammates out of the game offensively, they are not playing as a team, this is not what won them championships. This even affects them even defensively because teams play best on both sides of the ball as an actual team. They're just there, standing around forced to watch Parker.

    In the playoffs this pretty much means death against most teams with a shot blocker and above average defense (OKC). By packing the paint it closes off many lanes for Parker, reducing the amount of defensive attention he gets, many times he's challenging them 1v1 at the rim, but can't get his shot off. Because they're able to easily challenge Parker they can close out on the 3pt shooters running them off the line, neutralizing the Spurs' 3pt game. Parker has a history of choking around shot blockers.

    Suddenly that formula you were using in the regular season is no longer working in the playoffs. The regular season does not=Playoffs at all.

    Now, this works with Manu/Diaw because they've got size and much better court vision. Parker has always relied on the system to get him most of his assists, corner 3's and Duncan pick and rolls/post, probably make up 90% of his career assists. Parker can only create what is already there, Diaw/Manu can create plays with their passing that are NOT there. Start paying attention to just how basic Parker's passes are, anybody can replicate them, he relies on the system to create for him.






    90% of Parker's scoring came against Napier.

    http://www.nba.com/games/20150206/MI...fo.html?ls=slt


    Napier is just 170lbs, and because of this Parker was able to create bodily separation. He was backing him down getting great position in the paint, allowing him to create for others with the defensive attention he drew. On his drives to the rim Napier would easily get picked off by screens (just way too light), or he'd get bumped off by Parker because he was too small.

    Creating separation in the NBA is what separates the scrubs from the elite offensive players, which many people don't know. Separation can be achieved a handful of ways.

    Parker relies on speed and play calling to create separation for himself, other guys use dribbling/ball handling/fakes, others bodily contact. Parker does not rely on bodily contact, which he used to excel in this game. His jumpers are usually off some sort of screen (separation created by play calling), his drives to the rim (play calling and speed).
    I agree with most of what you have said in this. They are good observations and well-stated.

    Mostly, I agree that Parker is successful because of the system (he has never had the raw talent and passing ability of Manu or Boris) and his speed. Moreover, since both Manu and Boris are about 4-6 inches taller than TP, his court vision is definitely inferior to theirs. However, in the last two years, the difficulty he has had in getting the offense into its set is, I believe, a function of the league having figured out just how critical his function (regardless of who is filling that function) is to the team's offense.

    It has primarily been in the last two years that we have seen more and more defenses running two and/or three players out at the pg, knowing that putting that many people out there will in fact delay the start of the offensive set, and often move our offensive players out of position in order to help the ball handler. That means often that TP is in fact having to dribble around three people instead of one or two to simply start the offense. It definitely effects the play. Pop hasn't changed that play initiation. He might think about doing that.

    I agree entirely that packing the paint and having a decent shot blocker destroys a lot of what Pop was wanting to happen in that, and we have seen it repeatedly since the end of the 2013 season, imo. When he had success last year was when Splitter did a good job of blocking out the rim protector. Baynes did a good job of that in the last game and that, along with Parker moving a bit faster, resulted in greater success.

    But, as you say, that is all a function of the system.

    Some of what I have been trying (clearly inartfully) to get at is that the system is set up a certain way. The way that has worked in the last several years is as you described. When the system was so successful last year was when the 'hockey assist' and the reliance on many ball handlers became the dominant factor in the system.

    My point is that in order for Kawhi to have more of a prominent role in the offense (prominent meaning that he has a role other than spot up shooter for whomever is getting the pass off), the system has to change. I believe that the team tried that earlier this season with limited success. Not that it can't BECOME successful, but that the team still has to figure it out, or Pop needs to change the system.

    Falling back on the 'inside-out game' that has defined our offense for much of the past few years worked the other night against Miami specifically because of the type of defense that Miami plays. The Western Conference teams figured out long ago how to neutralize Parker's strengths in just the way you indicated, and that is partly why they are so much more successful against us than Eastern teams are.

    Here's the thing though. Parker is a creation of Pop's coaching and Pop's system. He is what Pop always wanted to be himself, imo, a less-talented player than a lot of others but a guy who does what he is told and runs the plays Pop tells him to run. Pop is NOT going to get rid of Tony.

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    Parker just needs to evolve his game and his role as he gets older, loses some quickness, etc. he'll help the team more and extend his career, IMO

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    Holy moly one good game from Parker and suddenly the s are celebrating as if that was the Finals last game this year.

    No comment on his form in this Raptors game or are the Porky fans gone dumb and mute ?

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    Where are all those Enrique -worshippers?

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    Where are all those Enrique -worshippers?

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    Dude is a fail tbh.

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    Player haters with agendas won't admit to MVParker's greatness.

    Another great game by the best player in franchise history.

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    I might be done with Parker, tbh. I don't want to throw anybody under the bus but his performance screams decline. He would get away with years ago with his ability to score points in the paint. That's no longer something he can do with consistency.

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    Where are all those Enrique -worshippers?
    They were all excited until this Raptors game because one decent game erases all the from the past.

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    Player haters with agendas won't admit to MVParker's greatness.

    Another great game by the best player in franchise history.
    You're also a Choke Thornton fan, 'nuff said.

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    Cojo +19 warming the bench, Pop and Pork do it every night.

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    You're also a Choke Thornton fan, 'nuff said.
    I'm no Cuck Thornton fan

    MVMarleau>>>>>>>Cuck Thornton.

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    Amazing how a player can be a liability on both sides of the court

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    Player haters with agendas won't admit to MVParker's greatness.

    Another great game by the best player in franchise history.















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    I'm no Cuck Thornton fan

    MVMarleau>>>>>>>Cuck Thornton.
    Marchoke is another choker, tbh.

    #ItWas3-0

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    Marchoke is another choker, tbh.

    #ItWas3-0
    MVMarleau is no choker, 60 playoff goals and over a 100 playoff points. Not his fault he's weighed down by cucks like Cuck Thornton.

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    Holy moly one good game from Parker and suddenly the s are celebrating as if that was the Finals last game this year.

    No comment on his form in this Raptors game or are the Porky fans gone dumb and mute ?

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    lol at the mods trying to shield Enrique by deleting threads

    Thanks for the photoshop brah.

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    lol at the mods trying to shield Enrique by deleting threads

    Thanks for the photoshop brah.

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