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    Militia movements have fared so well against law enforcement and the national guard. Small arms aren't going to stop a local sheriff much less what the feds have. This is not 1783, dumb s. The South will rise again!
    So? How does that change the intent of the founding fathers?

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    Funny how those afghani savages with small arms and improvised explosives have fared against the most advanced military the world has ever seen.

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    So? How does that change the intent of the founding fathers?
    The intent is meaningless given modern reality.

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    Funny how those afghani savages with small arms and improvised explosives have fared against the most advanced military the world has ever seen.
    What military engagement have they won? While the Taliban can wait out in their homes for the army to leave, the national guard and local police forces reside is the hills too.

    The right to bear arms NRA interpretation was over when they invented tanks, artillery and war planes. No you cannot have a grenade much less the ordinance to violently overthrow the US government. It certainly plays to the action hero complex of juvenile men though. Rambo did it!

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    Cruz is crazy but what a terrible example used by Blake to try and show he's crazy. Cruz actually got the bolded part right. Smh Blake.
    So if Cruz becomes president, and I believe he's tyrannical, do you really believe I have a cons utional right to shoot him?

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    Really? Lambasting "Washington" isn't Ted's favorite past time?
    It seems like you have turned people with complex views as a caricature. Wanting to change the federal government doesn't mean despise.

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    What military engagement have they won? While the Taliban can wait out in their homes for the army to leave, the national guard and local police forces reside is the hills too.

    The right to bear arms NRA interpretation was over when they invented tanks, artillery and war planes. No you cannot have a grenade much less the ordinance to violently overthrow the US government. It certainly plays to the action hero complex of juvenile men though. Rambo did it!
    You seem to be making the automatic assumption that the volunteer army and national guard would wage war against the American public. That's a pretty bold assumption.

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    So if Cruz becomes president, and I believe he's tyrannical, do you really believe I have a cons utional right to shoot him?
    Where did Cruz or I say anything about the cons utionality of assassinating a President?

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    You seem to be making the automatic assumption that the volunteer army and national guard would wage war against the American public. That's a pretty bold assumption.
    I actually know and speak to a bevy of military officers daily. If the army throws in then the citizenry having small arms is a moot point. I will say that they are much more likely to raise on an armed group than an unarmed one. Gahndi and King as opposed to Ruby Ridge.

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    Yeah right. " a bevy daily"

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    It seems like you have turned people with complex views as a caricature. Wanting to change the federal government doesn't mean despise.
    If he wants to change it, it's because he doesn't like what he sees. And he's been pretty vocal about it. His dislike for the current version of the federal government is not complex at all.

    Actually changing Washington is certainly a complex issue. Much more complex than what you're allowed to do under the 2nd amendment.

    Peddling the "fighting tyranny" line, then turning around and backing up big brother is the caricature, and that's certainly all his own doing.

    I mean, sure, Hillary is worse! But he's not running against Hillary yet.

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    You seem to be making the automatic assumption that the volunteer army and national guard would wage war against the American public. That's a pretty bold assumption.
    It actually is the military (or a heavy militarized faction, see: FARC) that have historically conducted successful coup d'état on democratically elected governments.

    But even in those cases the 2nd amendment is important, just for self-defense alone.

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    Yeah right. " a bevy daily"
    You surrendered my point about it being a moot point and the greater success of nonviolent protest in western culture.

    You lose, brokiller.

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    I didn't surrender anything just noted you are full of a bevy of .

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    Where did Cruz or I say anything about the cons utionality of assassinating a President?
    Cruz says that if he becomes tyrannical, I have the cons utional right to protect my liberties and shoot him.

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    So if Cruz becomes president, and I believe he's tyrannical, do you really believe I have a cons utional right to shoot him?
    I think this is what we call liberal logic. As in there is no rational thought involved. A check on power is far different than an invitation for open rebellion and assassination based on perceived slight.

    But lets not pretend that governments never implement tyrannical policies. Nazi Germany was not that long ago. Would you disagree with the right of Jews to shoot SS German mother ers in the head?

    Its called a check. The government can get away with a lot. But there are some extreme things it cant because of an armed populace. Are those situations likely to happen? no. But is it possible in the long run? sure.

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    Cruz says that if he becomes tyrannical, I have the cons utional right to protect my liberties and shoot him.
    You have a natural right if you are defending your life, liberty, or property from unjust actions. Not a cons utional right. You do have the cons utional right to own a gun....which helps protect your from Cruz doing anything tyrannical in the first place.

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    I didn't surrender anything just noted you are full of a bevy of .
    Just like you are full of about not being responsible for your brothers death? I have two active military officers and one enlisted in the family currently as well as three others that are retired. We don't backstab and reprise each other and instead talk.

    Good luck with your secession effort in lobbying officers and NCOs of the armed services, brokiller.

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    Assuming that is true how did YOU get so ed up? Personally think you are just full of a bevy of .

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    Assuming that is true how did YOU get so ed up? Personally think you are just full of a bevy of .
    So you don't want to talk about the army anymore either.

    Intellectual cowardice suits you, brokiller.

    So your response to my saying that modern warfare makes the 18th century Locke ideal to be moot is that I am ed up. Nice.

    I actually really like the concept of social contract. I just think that the bull state of nature nonsense can be discounted.

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    You have a natural right if you are defending your life, liberty, or property from unjust actions. Not a cons utional right. You do have the cons utional right to own a gun....which helps protect your from Cruz doing anything tyrannical in the first place.

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    I also have a cons utional right to shoot Cruz if he gets tyrannical.

    According to Cruz.

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    I also have a cons utional right to shoot Cruz if he gets tyrannical.

    According to Cruz.
    Sure you do....Lol. This is why we think you liberals are stupid..

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    Sure you do....Lol. This is why we think you liberals are stupid..

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    No Cruz thinks we do. That's why I think he's crazy.

    You guys trying to translate for him are stupid.

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    Cruz is a ing clown with ZERO chance of getting the republican nomination. He's a joke and an embarrassment.

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