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    Parker's tyness only hurt Kawhi

    Duncan & Marco never had to be on the court with him

    Kawhi went 1-7 in the 4th quarter of Game 7, but he gave it his all

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    Parker's tyness only hurt Kawhi

    Duncan & Marco never had to be on the court with him

    Kawhi went 1-7 in the 4th quarter of Game 7, but he gave it his all
    Parker makes every player on the team worse. The stats are there to back it up. When are you going to post more game pics?

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    Parker makes every player on the team worse. The stats are there to back it up. When are you going to post more game pics?















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    Your defensive and offensive numbers take a huge hit when this guy is your starting PG.

    ON/OFF COURT IMPACT
    Virtually everyone is aware of the on/off impact that Kawhi Leonard has had this year with the Spurs. When Kawhi's on the court, they've played excellent ball. When he's not, they've been... shaky, to say the least. Fewer are aware of the fact that Tony Parker's on-court presence has been essentially the opposite. With Parker on the court, San Antonio has been outscored by one point. Their defense has been atrocious and their offense has been below par. With Parker off, they've been absolutely excellent, outscoring opponents by 7.6 points. Here are some simple numbers on San Antonio's team performance with Tony Parker on and off the court from the current season:
    Not all measures agree with this assessment of the Spurs’ point guards (if you’re a diehard PER partisan, you’re not going to find this persuasive), but Parker and Joseph’s on/off court numbers this season support the case: ESPN’s on-court impact metric has Cory Joseph ranked a respectable 21stamong all NBA point guards,with Tony Parker coming in at 75. The Spurs just aren’t playing as well when Parker is on the floor.


    http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2014/12/31/need-talk-tony-parker/
    Parker's erratic play has been a big reason for San Antonio's regression on offense this season. The Spurs' offensive rating sits at just 103.6 this season, which is a pedestrian 12th in the league, per NBA.com.

    The picture gets even uglier for Parker when you look at how San Antonio has performed with him on the floor. The Spurs have an offensive rating of just 101.6 in Parker's 1,213 minutes this season, the lowest of any regular rotation player, per NBA.com. San Antonio's net rating is a poor negative-2.5 with Parker on the floor, compared to 8.2 with him on the bench, a stunning difference.

    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/24/8101513/tony-parker-struggling-stats-synergy-sports-spurs
    I'm just here to state facts, tbh.

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    So who's going to be the face of the franchise if Kawhi walks and Duncan/Manu retire? Enrique? Good luck with that

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    We know Parker sucks.

    The point of this thread is, can Kawhi propel us toward a championship as the main guy or do we need to make a move while plenty of people around the league and within the organization and the fandom still believe he can?

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    So who's going to be the face of the franchise if Kawhi walks and Duncan/Manu retire? Enrique? Good luck with that
    Whoever is our future lottery pick.

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    Why not wait to see who they surround Leonard with first? We talk all the time how hard it is to win a championship. How all the pieces have to be in place. So what time limit does Leonard get before we call it a success or failure?

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    We know Parker sucks.

    The point of this thread is, can Kawhi propel us toward a championship as the main guy or do we need to make a move while plenty of people around the league and within the organization and the fandom still believe he can?
    Maybe you forget that Tim won 3 rings with all star players like prime Manu and Tony in his peak.

    Where's those players for Kawhi now?
    He is and will be a great player but if you expect he win a ship with Patty/CoJo instead of prime Tony or Beli instead of the best Manu...you're not being very realistic

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    Kawhi Leonard is a great player but I'm very hesitant to say he deserves max money. Sadly, the Spurs have no real choice in the matter they HAVE to give him the max because if they don't then another team will. Just because another ty franchise is willing to throw max money loosely doesn't mean that it's what Kawhi is actually worth. There's a reason why most franchises are where they are: out fishing with no rings to show for their entire basketball history, and it's because they make bad FO decisions and give players big pay-days that they don't merit. So yes Kawhi will be back in the silver and black next year enjoying his max contract but mark my words, he is NOT a go-to offensive player. He just isn't. What he is, is an elite perimeter defender who excels at turning defense into break-away dunks, solid rebounder, and has a little bit of a post game. The Spurs desperately need someone to run the offense through because Parker can't do it anymore except for spurts and Kawhi needs most of his energy to maintain his elite defense.

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    Leading scorer in the Finals and the leading scorer during our end of the season win streak. Not a go to guy though.

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    Ugh, every single Kawhi hater's takes reek of vanilla extract.

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    Leading scorer in the Finals and the leading scorer during our end of the season win streak. Not a go to guy though.
    Don't forget..."a little bit of post game".

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    Maybe you forget that Tim won 3 rings with all star players like prime Manu and Tony in his peak.

    Where's those players for Kawhi now?
    He is and will be a great player but if you expect he win a ship with Patty/CoJo instead of prime Tony or Beli instead of the best Manu...you're not being very realistic
    I never implied Tim did anything alone, but up until at least 06-07, he was unquestionably THE guy (and really he was THE guy after that, despite not being the biggest team scorer).

    We need to figure out if we CAN build around Kawhi, if such a thing would be wise.

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    Leading scorer in the Finals and the leading scorer during our end of the season win streak. Not a go to guy though.
    Clippers series showed us what happens when teams start game-planning for the Spurs running the offense through Kawhi instead of Tony. The offense was the most fluid when the bench was on the floor. Spurs tried to run it through Kawhi in that series but his defense suffered, perhaps as a direct result. Kawhi could be a good #2 option on offense, but your success will be much more limited trying to run it all through him.

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    Ugh, every single Kawhi hater's takes reek of vanilla extract.
    Yours reek of estrogen but you don't see us ing about it

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    Yours reek of estrogen but you don't see us ing about it
    Scott, aka Joe, with the bads.

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    TD outplays everybody. No disgrace there.

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    Scott, aka Joe, with the bads.
    Matt Barnes tho?

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    I never implied Tim did anything alone, but up until at least 06-07, he was unquestionably THE guy (and really he was THE guy after that, despite not being the biggest team scorer).

    We need to figure out if we CAN build around Kawhi, if such a thing would be wise.
    I'd say no.
    Not in this Spurs offensive system having only 12-13 FGA in the regular season.

    Spurs system isn't designed for a wing like Kawhi take protagonism in all games, he isn't a shooter like Korver or involved in many pick&roll plays.
    He can have great games because he's that good, but not because the system help him to score.
    Contrary to what people usually think about him as "system player", this system limit him offensively.

    As a Spurs fan, I'd like to see Kawhi playing long time in SA but honestly...he should find another team to fit offensively and play his strengths.
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    anyone know who is the statue on the Defensive Player Award?


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    Kawhi is extremely limited by the way the system is built, unfortunately..he'll never reach his full ceiling, consistently, unless the broken system is altered to suit his style..

    I don't believe he's an ideal #1 scorer, I've said it for a while, you shouldn't build your offense around a SF(unless it's Lebron), but he's still clearly worth max money and proved that he's a top 10 impact player, this year..the Spurs haven't had a legit #1 guy since prime Duncan, though, and it hasn't stopped them from reaching 2 Finals and winning 1..

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    Clippers series showed us what happens when teams start game-planning for the Spurs running the offense through Kawhi instead of Tony. The offense was the most fluid when the bench was on the floor. Spurs tried to run it through Kawhi in that series but his defense suffered, perhaps as a direct result. Kawhi could be a good #2 option on offense, but your success will be much more limited trying to run it all through him.
    Not sure if that's true. Or the Spurs did a really bad job giving him the ball or that wasn't the Pop's game plan.

    How you plan run the offense through a player and then that player don't get the ball for long 4-5 minutes.

    When a coach have a player as main option, and the post up game of that player makes him a mismatch against most of guards in the league, the coach will involve him in most of the plays to exploit it.

    That wasn't the case with Pop when Kawhi was guarding by Rivers or Crawford.

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    Kawhi is extremely limited by the way the system is built, unfortunately..he'll never reach his full ceiling, consistently, unless the broken system is altered to suit his style..

    I don't believe he's an ideal #1 scorer, I've said it for a while, you shouldn't build your offense around a SF(unless it's Lebron), but he's still clearly worth max money and proved that he's a top 10 impact player, this year..the Spurs haven't had a legit #1 guy since prime Duncan, though, and it hasn't stopped them from reaching 2 Finals and winning 1..
    Yep. I want Kawhi to be a "Pippen" on offense. I think limiting his offensive load in that sense will maximize his defensive impact, where he could be historically great. Just because he's isn't the first option, doesn't mean he's not the team's best player.

    LMA, your Pippen is waiting.

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    Matt Barnes outplayed Harden tonight, btw..they were covering each other for most of the game, too..

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