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I don't think he will? I actually suspect Boris might...
Splitter will play this summer for his national team and further screw up his calf and vag.
I don't think he will? I actually suspect Boris might...
That maybe true but there has to be a convincing display from management to show Tim why he should bother coming back this off season, if that means nobody plays for there national team and they get healthy then so be it. I just don't think they bring anything to the table another year older presently constructed
Management really can't do anything about NT play unless the player is injured, tbh
They can trade players.
diaw > splitter. splitter helped us get 5 but he's too injury prone, and if manu retires he's gonna be useless offensively. if we have to get rid of him to get LMA, well.. bye splitter!
Forever?
Boris didn't score on Splitter at all, even though he was the key to France's offense. Clearly, unless someone has a copy of the game for us to all watch, we're just going to disagree. But I don't think you remember it the same way I do, and you talking about Splitter's offense demonstrates that to me.
Well, technically true. Although Pop is a guy that has spoken highly of players representing their nation. I think a trade would involve more reasons than just playing for the NT...
I have to side with Chinook. I remember watching the game and Bobo really, really struggled vs Splitter.
in a way you are right, but the odds of Kawhi taking anything less than 3yrs are pretty low. So yes, in maybe 3 years he'll be a free agent. But the burden is on you really to explain why Kawhi won't take a 4-5 yr contract. He will. Who knows what 2020 is going to be like. We might be living int he singularity by then.
Anyway, part of the reasons this question pissed me off was Apo's 2nd dumbest thread this year "my sources say Kawhi is unhappy here and wants to leave" uh huh.
Most likely, but with the injuries and things winding down, he may be more critical. Plus, it's easier to put up with it when its TP/Manu/Tim because they are stars; but other guys, especially after letting Tim down with subpar performaces might be viewed differently IMO.
Splitter > Diaw. It's way easier to replace a PF then a true Center. Splitter is the king of subtle brilliance. If i though we could get value for Diaw i'd advocate trading him. But grumpy non motivated Boris is a top 5 league cancer so it's kind of hard to predict who would willingly take him. Whereas every team in the league would take Tiago on the current contract. Part of the reason I'd prefer to trade splitter is also because i think his trade value exceed diaws and he can bring back assets. But that. Trade Diaw and Mills instead.
Diaw and LMA are more similar in that they are offensive minded big men. If diaw would shoot like every coach ever has wanted him I would be fine with him, but a passing big man who doesn't want to shoot and is losing his athleticism is less appealing to me than a center who will bang with the best when healthy.
Yeah, Boris was player of the tourney up until that point. A couple of folks on ST were wondering if a Diaw-led France win would be enough to get Boris HoF consideration. He was tearing through Brazil easily in that game. But after Splitter switched onto him, France's offense fell apart.
Bobo is too short to defend. and tiago is a injury soft vagina. Bobo probably stays due to being close with tony.
BoBo and Splitter were both huge contributors for getting #5. I don't know. I would hate to trade either player, even if a more talented player would be coming in. I would hate to break up a proven championship core for a soon to be 30 year old softie looking for a big contract. It better be worth it and not one of those RJ like trades that us over. We already have that with the broken PG on the team.
IIRC, Splitter guarded Gobert most of the game. Which is why it makes no sense to say Splitter took Diaw's cookie. In the 4th quarter, Boris was actually the guy drawing fouls on Splitter.
The best Brazilian big that game was Varejao. He played much, much better than Tiago. He was boxing out and grabbing boards left and right.
Diaw was far and away the best French player on the court that day, except for the 3 ball, he missed very few shots, scored and assisted all the way to the 4th quarter...
If you want to make a case for Splitter having a great game/series over Boris, the Dallas series last playoffs would be a perfect example. Boris did hit a big 3, but was for the most part nondescript. Tiago was critical both on defense and offense.
Disagree. He wasn't even the 2nd best big on Brazil that day. Varejao and Nene outplayed him. And Boris did pretty much whatever he wanted.
It's all moot when you consider just how much further Parker might fall off. Defense might be the last of our worries as we struggle to dig out of holes with 20 ft jump shots all night long
well i guess we need to have a one on one game between diaw and splitter. Loser gets traded. , through in Ayrs and Baynes and say :"only one survives"
Yes, which is why Diaw scored so well in that game. And why pulling up box score numbers doesn't really show the complete picture. Diaw was on a tear in that game, but Splitter absolutely stonewalled him. You've gone down the whole path and are simply refusing to accept the conclusion.
Diaw was the best player for France, in full 2.0 mode, and Splitter just snuffed him out. I don't know if I've seen another player shut out 2.0 like that. Add him to Aldridge coming off that Houston series, Dirk, Blake, Z-Bo. It's just, what do you expect at that point? I could see thinking they're close if Diaw were 2.0 all the time, but for all Tiago's overstated injury concerns, Diaw fails to show up almost as much. Boris has always been like having a level-100 pokemon at the beginning of the games, where they are extremely powerful, but they waste half the time loafing around.
Aldridge is likely to give you all of Diaw's production when factoring in an entire year's work. He won't give most of Tiago's though. Or think of it this way: Replace either Splitter or Diaw with LA in 2014. How do the playoffs shake out? Spurs most likely beat Miami and OKC with Aldridge's offense and there being no one to check him. But they'd probably lose to Dallas, since both Monta AND Dirk would have gone off on them.
Sorry, we disagree. Boris actually scored 9 of his 15pts in the 2nd half. If 'stonewalling' is allowing Boris to shoot 60% from 2 while letting him outrebound him and generally be the best player on the floor, then I'm not sure you have a good recollection of that game. We're just not going to agree on this.
I love Tiago, this has nothing to do with that. I think Tiago is more disposable than Diaw simply because how this team is constructed. It's a lot easier to find a stout center than to find a versatile playmaker, especially when you already have a top of the game center in Duncan (even with his limitations on mobility).
Not to mention that our team really turned a corner defensively when we augmented our perimeter defense, which in today's game is way more important than interior D.
I'm not particularly a fan of Aldrige. But he's no playmaker, and our bench would've nowhere near fared the same without Bobo last season (or this season, really). Playmaking is an actual deficit on this team, and will be an even bigger issue if Manu walks away.
Which is why my impression is that Boris is very likely on the untradeable tier for this team. Which doesn't mean Tiago is 'expendable' or anything like that. It's just that he has the contract that could bring the better value back.
Sure, we're not going to agree on this. But pointing to the box score doesn't prove anything. I've made threads specifically to delve further into defense for that very reason.
Calling Splitter a "stout center" is like calling Z-Bo a post scorer. Sure, it's descriptive enough on its own, but it completely undersells the player. Splitter's D is not going to be easy to replace. There isn't a big in the league who can do all the things Tiago can on that end, and the ones who are close are making a lot more money than he is. Diaw when he's on is a match up nightmare. But at the same time, he's only necessary because the Spurs don't have a reliable offensive big. You don't need as much 'play-making' when you have bona fide offensive players to give the ball to. As far as the bench goes, the Spurs had an awesome one with Bonner playing next to Tiago a few years ago. Sure, that was with a younger Manu, but it's not like Diaw is going to be running PnRs either.I love Tiago, this has nothing to do with that. I think Tiago is more disposable than Diaw simply because how this team is constructed. It's a lot easier to find a stout center than to find a versatile playmaker, especially when you already have a top of the game center in Duncan (even with his limitations on mobility).
Not to mention that our team really turned a corner defensively when we augmented our perimeter defense, which in today's game is way more important than interior D.
I think you undersell how good of a bench big Tiago was. The dude used to eat teams alive as the role-man with Manu. Do the Spurs need to make sure they have play-making at the guard spots? Sure, I'd love to see more. But that's not all that hard to get. Look at DJ Augustin in OKC. The Spurs aren't going to go Boris-centric for the bench in any event. Also, Tiago is a great play-maker himself. He's not going to draw a much of doubles in the post, be he certainly can distribute extremely well, especially when he's already in a rhythm.I'm not particularly a fan of Aldrige. But he's no playmaker, and our bench would've nowhere near fared the same without Bobo last season (or this season, really). Playmaking is an actual deficit on this team, and will be an even bigger issue if Manu walks away.
Which is why my impression is that Boris is very likely on the untradeable tier for this team. Which doesn't mean Tiago is 'expendable' or anything like that. It's just that he has the contract that could bring the better value back.
I wouldn't call L.A. a PF/C. He can play center for a few minutes a night but that doesn't make him a combo. Splitter essentially starts at PF and plays backup center in the playoffs but that doesn't nessicarily make him a combo big either. Splitter is a center and L.A. is a power forward.
They really aren't that similar. Especially considering a big part of L.As game is mid range based. The bulk of Splitters is screen and rolls and the occasion post up.
Splitter is certainly the more valuable player, but is also more likely to be dealt:
- Cancer Diaw will turn off many teams
- Splitter creates more cap space
- Splitter will bring back more value
- Spurs can run offense through Bobo and may be down Manu+ others next year
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