No one's saying Malone sucked in the playoffs. He just didn't live up to the inflated stats he put up in the regular season. Hence, the choke artist label. If Malone played as well as he did in the reg season he would have retired with one or two rings. Parker's the same way - scores efficiently in the season but turns into a cancerous chucker come playoff time. He had a few decent playoff runs but the bad outweighs the good.
He's never been elite. Just a mediocre system player. Duncan and Manu would have been stars on any team in the league. Parker needed HOF teammates, an all-time great coach, and he still put up numbers in the playoffs. Good regular season player I guess but the all-time greats have to be able to elevate their game in the playoffs. Parker never has.
Tony was absolute this year but the hate has blinded some of y'all....for a long time prior to 2012 the entire offense was built around TP driving and dishing. Of course his numbers will drop in the PO when the defense is focused primarily on stopping his penetration and clogging the lane. Not saying he was some all world performer cus he definitely had some lackluster moments but tbh there were plenty of times he stepped up big and was a big factor. Except for this series against LAC you can't really point to any playoff failure and blame it solely on him, imo.
And I love advanced stats as much as the next guy but basing your entire argument around PM stats is kinda lame tbh. I don't really see the point of these threads anyway, save for TGY, everyone has turned on Parker. Even hater jumped ship on him
This would be opinion. Minority opinion at that. Go home, you won the battle but lost the war. Parker is a likely hof player. Not bad for a system pg. Crazy that the system drove to the basket and absorbed contact for Parker. So cool that he system corrected Tony's weak ass shot attempts and made him so dominate.
Too bad the same system can't help kawhi make the jump outto alpha.
One thing crossed my mind. What about trading TP to the Kings for Rudy Gay? I know the Gay hate here, but in the right system, he could play alongside Kawhi in both the 3 and 4, or could even let Kawhi slide down to Sg. Kings had interest in TP before, and the salaries are pretty similar.
Trade an Enrique for another Enrique?
Why would the Kings do this? Then can probably draft a better point guard than the production they'd be getting from current Tony Parker.
Why don´t we all over indiana and get Duncan a few help in the process.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o5swr2o
Plus Geaorge can still learn from Manu and Hibbert from Duncan. We could also sign Aldridge and max out Leonard.
We just need to hipnotise everyone on indiana´s front office.
Just trading dead weights at this point, TBH. See if any better can come out of it.
Tony has 3700 points 1000 assists 600 rebounds 180 steals
Not pimping, just saying
Not a fan of Roy Hibbert - he'd be an extremely poor fit next to TD. George Hill is awesome though. Much better than that disgusting, French piece of . Difficult choice. Wouldn't want to lose Tiago but getting that cancerous blob off the team is a priority right now.
What a ing cancer - those percentages come playoff time is nauseating.
2002 playoffs:
4-11 (36%) vs Sonics LOSS
6-18 (33%) vs Sonics LOSS
5-14 (35%) vs Lakers LOSS
6-15 (40%) vs Lakers LOSS
2003 playoffs:
2-13 (15%) vs Suns LOSS
1-8 (12%) vs Lakers LOSS
6-17 (35%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-18 (38%) vs Lakers LOSS
3-11 (27%) vs Mavs LOSS
1-12 (8%) vs Nets LOSS
2004 playoffs:
4-12 (33%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-18 (38%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-23 (30%) vs Lakers LOSS
4-18 (22%) vs Lakers LOSS
Had to stop after 2004 - too exhausting/depressing looking at all those ty shooting numbers from Enrique.
Well he's got the money and contract now, laughing all the way to the bank.
Roberto laughing on it like he has a clue of what these stats mean
To be fun just have a look on the formula:
Raw BPM = a*ReMPG + b*ORB% + c*DRB% + d*STL% + e*BLK% + f*AST% - g*USG%*TO% + h*USG%*(1-TO%)*[2*(TS% - TmTS%) + i*AST% + j*(3PAr - Lg3PAr) - k] + l*sqrt(AST%*TRB%)
Rebounding is for instance a tricky one, one rebound does not equal one rebound, great rebounders have usually solid advanced stats but there is no ponderation to know if a rebound is contested or not.
You can twist and use whatever you want to make a case about something. Fact is globally Parker advanced stats suffer in the PS because of defense being tighter and by the attention he gets (not talking about this year), Kawhi experienced this year the difficulty to keep your production in the PS when you are the focal point of opponent's defense.
In this PS, Net rtg of Kawhi -4,8, TP +1, +/- -35 Kawhi, Parker -6, opponent FG% improvement when defended by Kawhi (
Point is there are few people on this board who have a clue of what they are talking about when talking advanced stats... best proof being posting not updated advanced stats after one game or not being able to understand why a site for the same stat has a different number of another.
OP is obviously a good example of that
People cannot have it both ways... whether he is a system player and you have to measure his value within a system, in that case most advanced stats are useless or he is not.
Advanced stat is usually a measurement and ponderation of all aspects of the game, Parker plays in a system where Pop asks him to focus on his strengths: setting offense, penetrating to open shots for 3 pointers specialist, scores in the paint etc... his TS% is affected by the fact he doesn't draw a lot of FTs because he cannot outpower bigs when he goes for layups, he needs creating space and avoid contacts, his assits pg suffer too on the way Spurs play their offense. Spurs don't ask him too to be a 3 pts scorer neither ask him to rebound the ball, all these elements give poor advanced stats compared to other players.
Only an idiot would consider Parker a cancer or a dude comparable to a bunch of scrubs sorting and parametrizing advanced stats.
Fact is Spurs won 4 rings with him having one of the biggest usage rate of the team, he adapted his game from 4down to ball movement, he is a key piece of Spurs historical run last 14 years and had been extremely valuable for Pop's system and Spurs success, like it or not.
All of the people butthurt over Parker say he's garbage. On the other hand they act like if he played well we could have won it. So which is it? He wasn't even fully healthy this playoffs, and we were literally one call away from advancing against a team who could be in the finals regardless.
regardless of past performances, parker shat the bed these playoffs. sad really- if you guys could have replicated even a fraction of the magic from last year, would have gotten duncan his b2b. memphis + spurs are likely the only two teams that can beat the dubs.
I'm not even talking about this year... he was trash there is no other to see it. From that point to his entire Spurs run and recognition is a fraud, there is a world of bull and non sense on this board espcially backed up by stupid takes based on numbers most don't even understand.
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ok he needs 150 more rebounds and 70 steals.
your point?
Tony is the real deal, give him a max extension !
His point is he's considering 1,200 points and 300 assists more important than 150 rebounds and 70 steals.
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