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    rofl what the are you talking about dude? do you think life is an action movie? are there people outside your house waiting in the bushes to ambush you the second they know you don't have a gun? do you really think the average gun owner is actually capable of using their firearm in an intelligent manner under duress? you actually think murder rates are only related to gun laws and that's it?
    So no responses to the stats? That's what I thought.

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    WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCEMURDER AND SUICIDE?

    Who wants to ban guns?

    to confiscate guns?

    that's typical NRA/GOA/gun-industry LIES and FUD.
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    WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCEMURDER AND SUICIDE?

    Who wants to ban guns?

    to confiscate guns?

    that's typical NRA/GOA/gun-industry LIES and FUD.
    That's the anti-gun nuts' ultimate goal. They just have to take a gradual approach because the voting public would never accept a draconian ban on guns all at once.

    And it's not a slippery slope fallacy, either, it's a historical trend. Prohibition started with regulations on the amount of alcohol content in drinks in order to "save grain for the war effort." The War on Drugs started with taxes on opium. Both eventually escalated into full-out bans. And despite the failures of Prohibition and the War on Drugs, lib s want to repeat the same exact mistake with guns.

    The professors behind the study are Harvard criminologists, not NRA zealots. (The NRA is a complete sham of an organization that has done even more than the left to further the misguided cause of gun control, by the way.) When even liberal academia begrudgingly admits that gun control doesn't stop anyone from finding a way to kill people, that just says it all.

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    Gun fellators desperately trying to spin the fact that there are far less gun deaths in countries with strict gun laws

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    Gun fellators desperately trying to spin the fact that there are far less gun deaths in countries with strict gun laws
    Anti-gun nuts are apparently perfectly okay with the rates of murder by beating, stabbing and strangulation and the overall murder rates all going up in countries with draconian gun laws, as long as there's an incremental decrease in murders by gun

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    Why is it that the combined murder rate of the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership is three times higher than that of the the nine European nations with the highest rates of gun ownership?

    Why is it that Norway has both the highest rate of gun ownership and the lowest murder rate in Western Europe? Why is the exact opposite true of Holland, Denmark and Sweden?

    Why did Russia finally start relaxing their gun laws and allowing people to own firearms for self-defense? Could it possibly be related to how when they had some of the most draconian gun laws in the world, their murder rate was four times higher than that of the US and 20+ times higher than Norway?

    It's almost as if cracking down on guns causes criminals to either find other ways to murder/injure people or just get guns from the black market, while leaving law-abiding citizens defenseless! Who knew?

    Source: http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf
    Nope. No it doesn't. That's just the excuse gun fellators use to peddle their guns for all agenda. You make it sound like acquiring guns 'via the black market' is just as easy to do as it is to buy a gun from a shop, which is just not true. Most gun crimes committed by white Americans are in the moment rage/revenge fueled cases. By increasing gun laws, the typical white trash dumbass isn't going to be smart enough to figure out how to acquire guns illegally so will either up trying to do so and land in jail or just not bother.

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    Anti-gun nuts are apparently perfectly okay with the rates of murder by beating, stabbing and strangulation and the overall murder rates all going up in countries with draconian gun laws, as long as there's an incremental decrease in murders by gun
    Again, not true. Of course murders by other means will go up when gun laws are increased, but murder levels haven't gone up in countries with strict gun laws.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-improves.html

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    Nope. No it doesn't. That's just the excuse gun fellators use to peddle their guns for all agenda. You make it sound like acquiring guns 'via the black market' is just as easy to do as it is to buy a gun from a shop, which is just not true. Most gun crimes committed by white Americans are in the moment rage/revenge fueled cases. By increasing gun laws, the typical white trash dumbass isn't going to be smart enough to figure out how to acquire guns illegally so will either up trying to do so and land in jail or just not bother.

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    Nope. No it doesn't. That's just the excuse gun fellators use to peddle their guns for all agenda. You make it sound like acquiring guns 'via the black market' is just as easy to do as it is to buy a gun from a shop, which is just not true. Most gun crimes committed by white Americans are in the moment rage/revenge fueled cases. By increasing gun laws, the typical white trash dumbass isn't going to be smart enough to figure out how to acquire guns illegally so will either up trying to do so and land in jail or just not bother.
    Or just murder their victim of choice by beating them, stabbing them, or strangling them, because that's so much better than shooting them, right?

    And the quickest way to make guns more easily available on the black market would be to ban them in the US. Prohibition spawned speakeasies and gangsterism. The War on Drugs is responsible for everything from drug cartels to your local dealer. History has proven that if the government bans something that Americans like, people will find a way around it.

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    Again, not true. Of course murders by other means will go up when gun laws are increased, but murder levels haven't gone up in countries with strict gun laws.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-improves.html
    Your own article cites countries whose murder rates increased during that period, such as El Salvador, Congo and Russia. El Salvador has one of the lowest gun ownership rates in Latin America, the Congo has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, and Russia finally relaxed their strict gun laws last year because of how high their murder rate was.

    Congrats on further proving my point that gun control doesn't prevent murder

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    Your own article cites countries whose murder rates increased during that period, such as El Salvador, Congo and Russia. El Salvador has one of the lowest gun ownership rates in Latin America, the Congo has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, and Russia finally relaxed their strict gun laws last year because of how high their murder rate was.

    Congrats on further proving my point that gun control doesn't prevent murder
    Where did I ever say gun controls 'prevent murder'?

    I like how you dodged the fact that the 1st world countries that have strict gun controls have had significantly reduced gun crimes.

    I can tell you are desperate by using the ing Congo and El Salvador as examples to back up your argument. Of course gun laws aren't going to make any difference in countries where murder is a normal activity which happens in its hundreds every week.

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    why do you feel like you need to have a gun? to protect your house? do you have children? do you keep it locked up so your kid doesn't find it and hurt themselves and their friends? do you think a ing burglar or villian is gonna wait for you to go get your gun out of your safe before ing you up? again, what the do you need a gun for exactly?
    I enjoy hunting for my own food, guns are kind of useful in that regard, I use my compound bow as well. Guns also work well for protection, didn't think I'd need to explain a gun's uses.
    I don't have children and when children come over all guns are locked in the safe. I can access my bedside gun in seconds which is plenty of time before confronted by an intruder. You act as if a homeowner has never successfully defended themselves from intruders with a gun.

    Should police not have guns either?

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    by pushing for guns for everyone everywhere all the time, unregulated. Great profits for the gun industry, and easy access to America's 300M+ guns for criminals.

    by creating a culture, an at ude that guns are fun, casual, lackadaisical, no big, deal, everybody should be a shooter.

    Sandy Hook's shooter's mother left her guns unsecured, and the shooter was able to buy guns even with a record of mental problems.
    Adam Lanza stole guns. You haven't come close to showing that Sandy Hook was gun fellators fault.

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    hmmm then why do those kinds of massacres only happen in countries where guns are prevalent jackass?
    Massacres happen everywhere regardless of guns being prevalent. China and Japan have had extremely deadly knife massacres.

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    Where did I ever say gun controls 'prevent murder'?

    I like how you dodged the fact that the 1st world countries that have strict gun controls have had significantly reduced gun crimes.

    I can tell you are desperate by using the ing Congo and El Salvador as examples to back up your argument. Of course gun laws aren't going to make any difference in countries where murder is a normal activity which happens in its hundreds every week.
    http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...oss-countries/

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    Adam Lanza stole guns. You haven't come close to showing that Sandy Hook was gun fellators fault.
    stole guns that were easy to steal. the gun culture says guns are fun, why waste time, energy to secure them? everybody just keep shootin (buyin LOTS of guns), it's fun. Gun industry financing, provoking gun injuries and deaths for profit.

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    Where did I ever say gun controls 'prevent murder'?

    I like how you dodged the fact that the 1st world countries that have strict gun controls have had significantly reduced gun crimes.
    And you're dodging the fact that countries with strict gun control and low rates of gun ownership tend to have higher murder rates than countries with the opposite stance on guns. A decrease in gun crimes isn't worth the paper it's printed on when it's coupled with increases in other types of violent crimes, like stabbing, beating, and strangulation, as well as an increase in the overall murder rate. You're bragging about a Phyrric victory here

    The same anti-gun nuts who rush to blame our "violent gun culture" whenever a gun crime occurs in this country love to ignore the fact that their beloved anti-gun utopias are violence-infested holes where people are more likely to kill, are more likely to find other ways to kill, and get to carry out their crimes among populations full of defenseless sitting ducks. How is that "culture" any better than ours?

    I can tell you are desperate by using the ing Congo and El Salvador as examples to back up your argument.
    Those examples were drawn specifically from the article you linked. If I'm desperate, then the Daily Mail and the UN Office on Drugs and Crime must be desperate as well.

    Of course gun laws aren't going to make any difference in countries where murder is a normal activity which happens in its hundreds every week.
    So if gun control laws don't prevent violent crime and don't change a country's culture of violence, then what's the point of having them?

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    lol white guilt
    lol white pride

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    Seriously, just take a second and think of how absurd this sounds: "Woo-hoo, gun crime rates are on the decline! Sure, criminals are killing more people and just strangling, beating or stabbing them to death instead, but at least this one specific crime rate is decreasing!"

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    stole guns that were easy to steal. the gun culture says guns are fun, why waste time, energy to secure them? everybody just keep shootin (buyin LOTS of guns), it's fun. Gun industry financing, provoking gun injuries and deaths for profit.
    Adam Lanza committed a crime by stealing guns. How are his criminal actions in any way the fault of gun fellators?

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    Adam Lanza committed a crime by stealing guns. How are his criminal actions in any way the fault of gun fellators?
    it sounded like his mother, a gun fellator, didn't secure her guns. she was an accomplice to the slaughter.

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    it sounded like his mother, a gun fellator, didn't secure her guns. she was an accomplice to the slaughter.
    His mother was an idiot who allegedly didn't lock her guns up. But again, how are his criminal actions in any way the fault of gun fellators?

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