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Duncan and Parker should trade salaries on that list - then it'd be reasonable. Maybe if we fans see it as Duncan giving up his salary for Parker's, we wouldn't be so dissatisfied.
I could live with that, but I've heard he is looking for a contract above the MLE range. I think Asik could be a lot cheaper, better fit and is younger.
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Duncan and Parker should trade salaries on that list - then it'd be reasonable. Maybe if we fans see it as Duncan giving up his salary for Parker's, we wouldn't be so dissatisfied.
Have to get rid of Tiago in that scenario, sign aldridge and then offer the contracts to Green/Manu if I understand how it works. Spurs would only trade there draft pick if they saw value in whatever it is they were trading down for.What's the scenario that the Spurs could keep Green at $10-12 million and sign Aldridge? What if Manu returns for around $3 million? Would it really matter if the Spurs drafted someone in the first round or trade their pick away? Would their be any cap space if we traded Splitter on draft day or sign and trade and landed Aldridge and acquired Asik in free agency?
Sorry for all the questions I'm not as great with numbers like you all.
Tyson and Kawhi would be pretty beastly on D, not to mention in this scenario we have Duncan back and Green. Imagine the rating we would be on D with a starting five of Tony, Danny, Kawhi, Tim, and Tyson. In this scenario the Spurs trade Splitter on draft night for the 15th, 16th, or 17th picks, for a guy like Kaminsky or Turner if they fall. Or for the cavs 24th pick and Haywood and just clear the Space all together. I doubt we work with the Cavs but an option never the less. I'm not sure if Milwaukee has cap but I know Atlanta and Boston do. Boston wants a shot at the big names so i doubt they take Splitter without giving back salary.
LA's max is only about $18 Million. The "cap" for max deals is about 93 percent the size of the actual cap.
I wouldn't do that unless the Spurs are 100% sold on Kyle Anderson being able to play point. A quickly declining Parker as the only point guard on the team is a frightening thought.
They could be thinking about picking up Delon wright in the draft. That would at least spell them in a spot.
Really? Then they can get him by salary dumping Splitter and possibly the first rounder if Duncan signs that deal.
Actually, trading Mills and Splitter frees up about $10 Million. Then you factor in whatever the Spurs trade those guys for, and you get right back under the $19 Million threshold. Also assumes Cory takes the room exception, because otherwise, the Spurs end up with no cap space to sign a back-up PG, which they definitely need without Manu and with a gimpy Parker. Not to mention LJC has the unilateral right to come over next season and take up about another half-million in cap room.
As awesome as it sounds that Tim would give up so much money, it still isn't good enough.
Aldridges max isn't over $20m. The max salaries are calculated using a smaller BRI percentage than what is used to calculate the cap, therefore his max is actually less than 30% of the cap. It's a complicated calculation but his predicted max is to be around $18.9m.
Boris' salary is also $7m not $7.5m, which gives us around $17.9m in cap space. However if he moves teams in fee agency he'll lose his Bird rights, meaning he can only get a max 4.5% raise per year.
This means from Portland he can get $109.7m/4yr ($84.5m/4yr), and from us he can get $80m/4yr through a sign and trade or $76.5m as a free agent. I think the totals are all moot though, as he will undoubtably sign a short term contract (2+1) whoever he signs with, which means whatever he gives up will be almost irrelevant. In that case, he's giving up at most $5m by moving teams and if he opts out after 2nd year, just $2m. Anything he loses he will more than make back when the cap jumps.
Nah, it's not quite there, because that would cost another million in roster charges. Would definitely have to dump at least Mills along with Splitter. At that point, you may as well try for the S&T, since it would allow the Spurs to keep Cory and Baynes and use the MLE. Then again, if they stay over the cap, then Tim can take whatever deal he wants.
I thought this CBA did away with being able to use a sign and trade to get any more money than possible via outright signing, e.g., no fifth year and only 4.5% raises. I think Aldridge would be crazy to sign the 1+1 deal LeBron is doing, since LMA is on the wrong side of 30 and isn't the kind of MVP level player guaranteed to max out.
I completely forgot about the loophole calculating max salaries based on a 42.14% average BRI cap vs the 44.74% of average BRI that the cap is calculated at.
No worries - we are all here to learn & talk Spurs. The first thing is really understanding that there are two types of FAs for SA: ones that impact cap space (Duncan & Manu) and ones that don't (Kawhi & Danny). The reason for that is their cap holds & nothing else. Tim & Manus cap holds are for more money than they are likely to be re-signed for. So that means they have to be signed 1st. KL & DG have cap holds that are less than they will be signed for most likely so luckily they don't impact signing FAs with cap space.What's the scenario that the Spurs could keep Green at $10-12 million and sign Aldridge? What if Manu returns for around $3 million? Would it really matter if the Spurs drafted someone in the first round or trade their pick away? Would their be any cap space if we traded Splitter on draft day or sign and trade and landed Aldridge and acquired Asik in free agency?
Sorry for all the questions I'm not as great with numbers like you all.
With that in mind, to answer your question about landing LA & signing Danny to 10M+, every scenario keeps that in play. The only things that will/can stop that is if DG just doesn't want to be back or Spurs aren't willing to have a payroll that high to keep them all. There's also an outside scenario that in the event Spurs need cap space & can't trade Tiago or Boris, letting Danny walk is the fastest way to get 7M in cap space. Good news is that if the Spurs & DG want, signing DG to whatever after signing LA is easy.
The Manu question is much harder. Bc he's scheduled to make less & needs to be signed first, he will take away from cap space immediately since he needs to be signed first. While his new salary in your scenario has Manu making only 3M, that just makes it harder to have the cap space required to sign LA.
Trading the 1st rounder would help but not by enough to matter. The difference would be the cost of the 26th pick (1.4M~) vs a roster charge (550K~).
If Spurs trade away Tisgo on draft day & Tim takes 6M & Manu takes 3M that would leave about 14M in cap space. Not nearly enough to sign LA & Asik.
The S&T scenario is different and prob most likely. It would be a combo of using existing cap space & trading Tiago. If Manu & Tim come back like in the previous example & Spurs were to S&T Tiago, they would still have the same functional cap
Space (14M). Difference is since it's a trade vs out right signing SA can take more than the sum of their cap space back in a S&T (so effectively more than 14M). They may need to trade someone like Mills too in the scenario to make numbers work, but that's the general premise.
Either way though, Spurs can resign KL & DG to whatever they want though after all those transactions.
I just don't see Aldridge signing a four year deal with anyone. Wouldn't he just sign with whomever for only long enough to get to the new salary cap?
That's the only reason the Spurs might have a slight chance -- LA stays long enough to pursue a le then signs a max long term deal with Dallas or some other easy chair outfit.
I could see Aldridge taking the $1 million hit off his base salary, much less than the $2.68 million hit it would have been without the max salary loophole. I think there is no way the Spurs would use the MLE this season if they were able to pull of the sign and trade and bring Green, Leonard, and Joseph back, it would likely push them into paying the luxury tax with Leonard on a max deal and Green with a big pay bump.
You could be right about the cap rises, if that has happened I'm not aware of it but I'm hardly an expert.
I think a 1+1 is dangerous for Aldridge, but a 2+1 is a nice middleground between guaranteed money and possibility for another big contract. Even if a 32 year old Aldridge isn't a max guy in a couple of years, under a $107m cap he could easily still get a $120m/4yr deal
Anderson is gonna have trouble making the team at SF or SG he is so slow. I can't imagine him defending any PGs in the West with success. They'll just ISO on him and there will be a layup line.
There is a point of diminishing returns on BB IQ and the ability to pass if you can't defend and can't shoot over 40% on 3s.
He meant that and S&T would probably allow the Spurs to give Aldridge the full max, whereas in your scenario, they'd be about a million short. I imagine that LMA would be willing to let that slide if it meant keeping Mills. But I think the Spurs would rather do the S&T if they could, as it would allow them to keep Joseph and Baynes and use the MLE.
Problem is, an S&T would NOT actually allow the Spurs to get LMA more money, because Mills and Splitter can only bring back $16.7 Million. They'd need to include Anderson to get closer (provided they didn't sign Williams to that second year). Though I would say that if Aldridge isn't willing to take the $16.7 on a 2+1 deal, then I probably wouldn't try as hard to get him.
EDIT: Guess I was wrong. About what Richie meant.
I'm not sure we can project what KA will do yet. The "measurables" sometimes don't tell the story.
Get ya money, Jim.
They'd be near apron territory. But I think it's a move they'd have to make. This would be an all-in off-season for them. They'd still have holes at SG or PF/C. If they can snag a guy like O'Quinn for the full MLE, I can't see then turning that down.
This is all great stuff guys.It's the reason I keep coming here despite the troll posts and player fans. Great reads all of you.
I thought w the cap jumping an extra million would put the Spurs in max range in the scenario?
It should also be mentioned that if Aldridge or Gasol change teams, they will almost certainly take a 2+1 deal because then they qualify for Early Bird rights if they opt out after 2 years which means they can be resigned for as much as 175% of their previous salary for up to 4 years and 7.5% rises.
Is it jumping and extra extra million now? Like is it up to over $68 Million? Because yes, that would help.
Another thing that would help is the Spurs offering LMA incentives that he's probably going to meet but that are technically considered "not likely to be earned". Something like him averaging at least 2.0 assists per 36. He's done that almost every year recently, but because he didn't do it last season, incentivizing it would not count against the cap. It could allow the Spurs to make up the difference. The Spurs could offer LMA a deal starting as low as $16M and still get him a max salary. Heck, they can do the same thing with Tim and get him a little more than $6 Million.
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