E-N: Spurs could offer Duncan a contract starting in the $6-7M range

[baseline bum]

Chinook is right it's about salary. Assuming this report of Timmy taking $6m is correct, then I think offering Manu a reasonable $2.8m this year and a 50% guaranteed $3m next year with the Room Exception. That way if both of them retire after this coming season, they effectively played this year for $10m and $4.3m respectively, and Manu would have no impact on our cap situation since he's being signed using an exception.

Doing that forces a Splitter + Mills salary dump if Adridge wants to come. Cleveland could be a willing partner with Brenda's expiring, but , how stacked would they be with a starting lineup of Irving/Mills/James/Love/Splitter and then Varejao/Mozgov/Thomson/Shumpert off the bench? Doubtful the Spurs would beat that team if they make the Finals in 2016.

[AFBlue]

Doing that forces a Splitter + Mills salary dump if Adridge wants to come. Cleveland could be a willing partner with Brenda's expiring, but , how stacked would they be with a starting lineup of Irving/Mills/James/Love/Splitter and then Varejao/Mozgov/Thomson/Shumpert off the bench? Doubtful the Spurs would beat that team if they make the Finals in 2016.

Mills + Splitter for the #24 pick is not appealing at all tbqh. Mills alone could fetch the #24 pick and they can offload Splitter in a separate deal if the Aldridge thing looks like it's coming to fruition. I don't know who you'd target at #24, but maybe you could package those two picks to move up a few spots for the guy you really like...Harrell, Anderson, Vaughn.

[TheGoldStandard]

Doing that forces a Splitter + Mills salary dump if Adridge wants to come. Cleveland could be a willing partner with Brenda's expiring, but , how stacked would they be with a starting lineup of Irving/Mills/James/Love/Splitter and then Varejao/Mozgov/Thomson/Shumpert off the bench? Doubtful the Spurs would beat that team if they make the Finals in 2016.

Splitter and Irving will be hurt again

[Richie]

Doing that forces a Splitter + Mills salary dump if Adridge wants to come. Cleveland could be a willing partner with Brenda's expiring, but , how stacked would they be with a starting lineup of Irving/Mills/James/Love/Splitter and then Varejao/Mozgov/Thomson/Shumpert off the bench? Doubtful the Spurs would beat that team if they make the Finals in 2016.

If we're trading Splitter I think we will be close enough to Aldridges max to keep Mills. We'd be around $1m short of his first year salary but the reality is that he will almost certainly opt out after 2 years and take advantage of the cap jump, so whatever minimal salary he loses over those two years he will more than make back in his next contract.

Over the first 2 years of his next contract (assuming he signs for $1m under his max) the Spurs would pay him around $36.5m, whereas in Portland he would earn $39m over the same time period or $38.5m signing for the max with another team. $2.5m is hardly worth thinking about when you consider he'll be signing a contract worth well over $100m in 2017.

[Amarelooms]

Aldridge going Dallas or staying Portland. What y'all talking bout? Lol

[Ditty]

No worries - we are all here to learn & talk Spurs. The first thing is really understanding that there are two types of FAs for SA: ones that impact cap space (Duncan & Manu) and ones that don't (Kawhi & Danny). The reason for that is their cap holds & nothing else. Tim & Manus cap holds are for more money than they are likely to be re-signed for. So that means they have to be signed 1st. KL & DG have cap holds that are less than they will be signed for most likely so luckily they don't impact signing FAs with cap space.

With that in mind, to answer your question about landing LA & signing Danny to 10M+, every scenario keeps that in play. The only things that will/can stop that is if DG just doesn't want to be back or Spurs aren't willing to have a payroll that high to keep them all. There's also an outside scenario that in the event Spurs need cap space & can't trade Tiago or Boris, letting Danny walk is the fastest way to get 7M in cap space. Good news is that if the Spurs & DG want, signing DG to whatever after signing LA is easy.

The Manu question is much harder. Bc he's scheduled to make less & needs to be signed first, he will take away from cap space immediately since he needs to be signed first. While his new salary in your scenario has Manu making only 3M, that just makes it harder to have the cap space required to sign LA.

Trading the 1st rounder would help but not by enough to matter. The difference would be the cost of the 26th pick (1.4M~) vs a roster charge (550K~).

If Spurs trade away Tisgo on draft day & Tim takes 6M & Manu takes 3M that would leave about 14M in cap space. Not nearly enough to sign LA & Asik.

The S&T scenario is different and prob most likely. It would be a combo of using existing cap space & trading Tiago. If Manu & Tim come back like in the previous example & Spurs were to S&T Tiago, they would still have the same functional cap
Space (14M). Difference is since it's a trade vs out right signing SA can take more than the sum of their cap space back in a S&T (so effectively more than 14M). They may need to trade someone like Mills too in the scenario to make numbers work, but that's the general premise.

Either way though, Spurs can resign KL & DG to whatever they want though after all those transactions.

Thanks for the insight bro

Could this scenario work also saw this on db.com:

Tiago Splitter (nearly signed an offer sheet with Portland in summer 2013) + Patty Mills + Kyle Anderson

For

Signed-for-trade LaMarcus Aldridge

Sign Kawhi Leonard (restricted free agent)
Sign Cory Joseph (restricted free agent)
Sign Aaron Baynes (restricted free agent)
Sign Danny Green (full Bird rights)

Over-the-cap exceptions as below

Sign Ginobili to BAE
Sign Duncan to MLE

Fill out roster with veteran minimum

(Pre-free-agency

Draft a wing (e.g. Justin Anderson))

Parker/Joseph
Green/Ginobili
Leonard/Anderson
Aldridge/Diaw
Duncan/Baynes

[DPG21920]

Yes, it's possible. Only thing to watchout for is when you do a S&T, you are now subject to the "apron". Once you do a S&T, no matter what, a team cannot go over the apron (4M over the Luxury Tax line). So all that money (depending on Green's amount, etc..) can't go over that apron.

So while it could be done, that is something to consider.

[Ditty]

Yes, it's possible. Only thing to watchout for is when you do a S&T, you are now subject to the "apron". Once you do a S&T, no matter what, a team cannot go over the apron (4M over the Luxury Tax line). So all that money (depending on Green's amount, etc..) can't go over that apron.

So while it could be done, that is something to consider.

Sorry if you mentioned this.

Is it possible that the Spurs can agree with Tim for $6 million for the first year and Manu for $3 million one year contract at the start of free agency, then agree with a sign and trade that would send Splitter/Patty(unfortunately)/Anderson for Aldridge, then use the MLE on a possible Splitter replacement, then give Green and Leonard what they want, while matching any deals for Joseph and Baynes? Or is it either you use your cap space, or sign all your players first and use the MLE/BAE for free agents?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

As a huge Manu fan, the guy needs to play for what he can contribute - somewhere between the vet minimum and about a million more than that. Take the cut for the good of the team.

[DPG21920]

Sorry if you mentioned this.

Is it possible that the Spurs can agree with Tim for $6 million for the first year and Manu for $3 million one year contract at the start of free agency, then agree with a sign and trade that would send Splitter/Patty(unfortunately)/Anderson for Aldridge, then use the MLE on a possible Splitter replacement, then give Green and Leonard what they want, while matching any deals for Joseph and Baynes? Or is it either you use your cap space, or sign all your players first and use the MLE/BAE for free agents?

No worries - ya you have to do one or the other. If you use cap space you can't use the MLE (at least not the full MLE). You can agree with Tim/Manu like you said and still do a S&T, but that S&T only works in that scenario because the cap space + trade of all of those players is enough cap space to absorb LA.

You can give Green & Kawhi what you want to in the scenario - just can't use the full MLE. The only way to use the full MLE (which is a great idea) would be to stay over the cap entirely, then do the S&T for LA and use the MLE.

[Ditty]

No worries - ya you have to do one or the other. If you use cap space you can't use the MLE (at least not the full MLE). You can agree with Tim/Manu like you said and still do a S&T, but that S&T only works in that scenario because the cap space + trade of all of those players is enough cap space to absorb LA.

You can give Green & Kawhi what you want to in the scenario - just can't use the full MLE. The only way to use the full MLE (which is a great idea) would be to stay over the cap entirely, then do the S&T for LA and use the MLE.

[TheGreatYacht]

Only player we should max this offseason, tbh

[rmt]

Parker would still be overpaid.

I agree that he'd still be overpaid but I can stomach the thought of only 6 million instead of 13-15 million. And if I can imagine Timmy getting the 13-15mil instead - well, it's Timmy and he's worth it. It's the only way for me to reconcile his salary and not get pissed every time I see his incessant dribbling.

[MaNu4Tres]

I wouldn't do that unless the Spurs are 100% sold on Kyle Anderson being able to play point. A quickly declining Parker as the only point guard on the team is a frightening thought.

You wouldn't trade Mills/Splitter for LA because of the back up PG scenario?

....Am I missing something?

You can't pass up the opportunity on an All-Star 20 and 10 guy like Aldridge because you're worried about the back up PG scenario. Spurs may never have another opportunity to get a guy like Aldridge in the next 10 years. IMO

[Chinook]

Thanks for the insight bro

Could this scenario work also saw this on db.com:

Tiago Splitter (nearly signed an offer sheet with Portland in summer 2013) + Patty Mills + Kyle Anderson

For

Signed-for-trade LaMarcus Aldridge

Sign Kawhi Leonard (restricted free agent)
Sign Cory Joseph (restricted free agent)
Sign Aaron Baynes (restricted free agent)
Sign Danny Green (full Bird rights)

Over-the-cap exceptions as below

Sign Ginobili to BAE
Sign Duncan to MLE

Fill out roster with veteran minimum

(Pre-free-agency

Draft a wing (e.g. Justin Anderson))

Parker/Joseph
Green/Ginobili
Leonard/Anderson
Aldridge/Diaw
Duncan/Baynes

If you S&T for LMA, then you don't need Duncan to take less. There's no reason for Tim to agree to the MLE, and in fact that's a MAJOR waste of resources for the Spurs if he took it. If the Spurs are going to do an S&T, it won't be using cap space, as the team is just throwing Splitter and Mills away in that scenario. The point of trading both is to allow the Spurs to keep their Bird rights and their exceptions. Otherwise, trade those guys to a third team for assets and sign LMA without a S&T.

[Chinook]

You can give Green & Kawhi what you want to in the scenario - just can't use the full MLE. The only way to use the full MLE (which is a great idea) would be to stay over the cap entirely, then do the S&T for LA and use the MLE.

Mills, Anderson and Splitter would allow the Spurs to take back about $18.3 Million in full salary. If that's not close enough for LMA, tough cookies. So the Spurs could totally stay above the cap in that scenario.

[baseline bum]

You wouldn't trade Mills/Splitter for LA because of the back up PG scenario?

....Am I missing something?

You can't pass up the opportunity on an All-Star 20 and 10 guy like Aldridge because you're worried about the back up PG scenario. Spurs may never have another opportunity to get a guy like Aldridge in the next 10 years. IMO

He's on the wrong side of 30 and the Spurs would be completely gutting the team to get him then. It's not like they'd be signing 1997 Shaq who a le team could be built around with him as the centerpiece.

[Chinook]

He's on the wrong side of 30 and the Spurs would be completely gutting the team to get him then. It's not like they'd be signing 1997 Shaq who a le team could be built around with him as the centerpiece.

Yeah, but you don't turn down a trade to keep Mills, especially when it gives you the flexibility to keep Joseph (who I think will be better for the team long term anyway) and use the MLE to bring in talent. If the Blazers wanted Cory in a S&T, that would be one thing. But if it's a choice between Mills and Cory and flexibility, I don't think it's even a question.

[MaNu4Tres]

He's on the wrong side of 30 and the Spurs would be completely gutting the team to get him then. It's not like they'd be signing 1997 Shaq who a le team could be built around with him as the centerpiece.

Trading away Splitter/Mills to get Aldridge is not "completely gutting the team".

[Raven]

yuck

[baseline bum]

Yeah, but you don't turn down a trade to keep Mills, especially when it gives you the flexibility to keep Joseph (who I think will be better for the team long term anyway) and use the MLE to bring in talent. If the Blazers wanted Cory in a S&T, that would be one thing. But if it's a choice between Mills and Cory and flexibility, I don't think it's even a question.

I don't see Joseph as better, Mills is the one who actually performs in the playoffs, and the Spurs need a competent point guard. Aldridge is a complimentary player, not a cornerstone to gut your team for. He'd be an upgrade over Splitter, but if he was a cornerstone his team would have actually done something in all these years.

[baseline bum]

Trading away Splitter/Mills to get Aldridge is not "completely gutting the team".

The team would be Porker/Green/Leonard/Aldridge/Duncan/Diaw/Anderson/Joseph. That's gutted. You'd have one competent bench player.

[dabom]

The team would be Porker/Green/Leonard/Aldridge/Duncan/Diaw/Anderson/Joseph. That's gutted. You'd have one competent bench player.

3 top ten players in that starting lineup. Who cares about our bench. Green Kawhi and Aldridge can play more minutes. Green and Kawhi are young.

[baseline bum]

3 top ten players in that starting lineup. Who cares about our bench. Green Kawhi and Aldridge can play more minutes. Green and Kawhi are young.

Three top ten players? What are you smoking? Worst case scenario (e.g. Durant is done) these eight are clearly above anyone on the roster.

Davis
James
Paul
Curry
Westrbook
Harden
Griffin
Cousins

[dabom]

Three top ten players? What are you smoking? Worst case scenario (e.g. Durant is done) these eight are clearly above anyone on the roster.

Davis
James
Paul
Curry
Westrbook
Harden
Griffin
Cousins

Cousins putting up numbers on a trash team. KAwhi Aldridge and Duncan are top 10. Duncan makes it due to always going clutch when you need him. He usually hides until we need him. Even if you disagree 3 top 15 players in the same roster is sick.