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    The black vs. white conversation is perfectly illustrated in the Confederate flag argument. And I'm seeing a lot of surprising racial unity when it comes to removing it. That's a good thing, even if it's an inanimate object, it's still an argument that we're finally about to stop having... It's a sign that White America is not only ready to acknowledge the sins of our past, they're also willing to stop clinging to an inanimate object that memorializes those sins.

    yes, sins of the fathers. how eloquent. and what reparations for those do you suggest?

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    yes, sins of the fathers. how eloquent. and what reparations for those do you suggest?
    Taking the Confederate flag down from public places.

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    not really. i think the confederate flag should get the swastika treatment IMO. rebs lost fair and square. but it's crazy that news outlets jumped on the flag after the shooting like they had that card to play the whole time for potential headlines. they were just waiting for the right cover story to roll with it. and it worked. genius, imo.
    the swastika was a symbol for racial purity, the Aryan super race, WHITE supremacy, behind which midgets, Jews, gays, gypsies, etc, etc were slaughtered. There probably weren't many blacks in Germany and its conquered countries, but they probably would have been gassed and cooked, too.

    The swastika is as much of a symbol of racism as is the modern usage of Confederate flag.

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    Taking the Confederate flag down from public places.
    if that's good enough for you then fair enough, i agree. but imo there's really not a drawn out line of where this begins and ends, and that worries me.

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    the swastika was a symbol for racial purity, the Aryan super race, WHITE supremacy, behind which midgets, Jews, gays, gypsies, etc, etc were slaughtered. There probably weren't many blacks in Germany and its conquered countries, but they probably would have been gassed and cooked, too.

    The swastika is as much of a symbol of racism as is the modern usage of Confederate flag.


    that's why i said it should have been taken down long ago. but for it to be such a huge story out of nowhere like it was a card to be played is interesting.

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    if that's good enough for you then fair enough, i agree. but imo there's really not a drawn out line of where this begins and ends, and that worries me.
    Well I certainly think there's more we can do to address poverty... Not sure it should be specifically along racial lines, but efforts there would certainly help to rectify some of the parts of our past that led to such a racial disparity below the poverty line.

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    finally taking down the confederate flag was the easy part. the real problem that white amerikkka is afraid to tackle is acknowledging their privilege, white supremacy and their hesitation to admit the systematic problem of white supremacy and its effect on blacks.

    unfortunately, blacks are the only ones actively fighting against white supremacy and we can't do it alone. we need whites to speak out against their racist brethren, but that's like pulling teeth

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    Well I certainly think there's more we can do to address poverty... Not sure it should be specifically along racial lines, but efforts there would certainly help to rectify some of the parts of our past that led to such a racial disparity below the poverty line.

    I think that has a lot to do with coming together in the public conscience rather than "advancing" certain demographics based on their background. all that does is create factions and disparity among the populace. yes, poverty is an issue imo, and that starts with the minimum wage. why work when you make more on unemployment than you do in the workforce?

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    blacks are the only ones actively fighting against white supremacy and we can't do it alone
    actually, the real problem is white MALE supremacy.

    Women, white and otherwise, are fighting for equal pay for equal work, and fighting for higher minimum wage denied by white males, since it's women who suffer most in ty paying jobs.

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    boutons stealing my and making it about white male dominance

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    that's why i said it should have been taken down long ago. but for it to be such a huge story out of nowhere like it was a card to be played is interesting.
    The flag was take down in South Carolina but reappeared in 1961... an obvious thumbing of the nose to the civil rights movement.

    The debate didn't really come out of nowhere. The flag issue has been contentious for a while now. Having nine African-Americans get slaughtered by a confederate flag touting racist just highlighted how particularly egregious still flying that flag on public grounds is especially given that one of those killed was a state senator.

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    I think that has a lot to do with coming together in the public conscience rather than "advancing" certain demographics based on their background. all that does is create factions and disparity among the populace. yes, poverty is an issue imo, and that starts with the minimum wage. why work when you make more on unemployment than you do in the workforce?

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    "why work when you make more on unemployment than you do in the workforce?"

    do you have evidence supporting this VRWC LIE?



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    The flag was take down in South Carolina but reappeared in 1961... an obvious thumbing of the nose to the civil rights movement.

    The debate didn't really come out of nowhere. The flag issue has been contentious for a while now. Having nine African-Americans get slaughtered by a confederate flag touting racist just highlighted how particularly egregious still flying that flag on public grounds is especially given that one of those killed was a state senator.

    yes lets ban rhodesian badges and bowl cuts too. that'll do the trick!

    yes, by all means take down all the confederate flags and jefferson davis statutes etc etc. the point is that won't fix anything.

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    "why work when you make more on unemployment than you do in the workforce?"

    do you have evidence supporting this VRWC LIE?



    because i've personally been familiar with fields where people will work a contract, apply for the full length of unemployment, then work again once they're cut off.

    but i doubt you've ever had calluses on your hands so you're not familiar with the blue collared work force.

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    because i've personally been familiar with fields where people will work a contract, apply for the full length of unemployment, then work again once they're cut off.
    that's not evidence that unemployment PAYS more than employment, and it certainly doesn't apply to the vast majority of the unemployed, sporadically employed, etc

    sounds like your example is for people who get a gig, get some money, gig stops, but they have enough money + unemployment pay to coast along until the next gig.

    The "gig economy" is happening to more and more millions, replacing the financial security + benefits of full time jobs.

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    Women, white and otherwise, are fighting for equal pay for equal work, and fighting for higher minimum wage denied by white males, since it's women who suffer most in ty paying jobs.
    The wage gap is a myth:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...83752909957472

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    that's not evidence that unemployment PAYS more than employment, and it certainly doesn't apply to the vast majority of the unemployed, sporadically employed, etc

    sounds like your example is for people who get a gig, get some money, gig stops, but they have enough money + unemployment pay to coast along until the next gig.

    The "gig economy" is happening to more and more millions, replacing the financial security + benefits of full time jobs.

    less incentive to work when minimum wage is pennies and ease of access to unemployment = gig economy. it's all over the states.

    once the baby boomers are out of their tenured positions it will hopefully make it easier, but for now the minimum wage needs to increase.

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    Ideally, it would be just as difficult for someone with $1MM to get another $10K as it is for someone with $30K to get another $10K. That will never happen, but there's a lot of room for that gap to close.

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    Basically we need to get to a point where it's just as difficult for someone with $1MM to get another $10K as it is for someone with $30K to get another $10K.
    A decrease in the estate tax exemption would be nice... but these debates over minimum wage aren't going to be influenced at all by this shooting whether the media tried to connect the dots to it or not.

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    once the baby boomers are out of their tenured positions it will hopefully make it easier, but for now the minimum wage needs to increase.
    ah, the old LIE of "blame the boomers". Ms have been laid off from good jobs, lost their homes, age-ism blocks them from getting good jobs, or ANY job, again. many good jobs have disappeared for good.

    tenure? G M A F B

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    no, the confederate flag should have been taken down during reconstruction IMO, but to make the whole shooting issue about confederate flags is woefully missing the point. it's not about confederate flags, it's about the whole black vs. white conversation, and it needs to stop. we need to see it as coming together as a nation rather than dividing people and using the "white" symbol (confederate flag, apparently?) as some sort of crusade against.

    this is that the media is fueling, and y'all are eating it up one story at a time.
    The fact that it hangs in the state capital is pretty remarkable. The confederate flag debate is actually along racial party lines. so it can be considered a microcosm of the race conversation. White Democrats and blacks view race much differently than white conservations who tend to highly skeptical if not downright dismissive on most issues where race may have been a factor.

    Before the shooting only 31% of people thought that the flag represented racism. After its up to 64% with 21% in favor of the flag and 15% unsure.

    Just getting people on the same page with the flag is a small victory. It clearly represents hate. The whole heritage not hate argument is one of the all-time great bull statements.

    The flag was used quite often by the KKK and is still used today in their rally's. People were lynched, beaten or otherwise terrorized and intimated under that flags heritage. Thats not to mention it was the symbol for the traitors who broke off from the union and fought to keep slavery intact.

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    Jesus you are a huge got.

    I can't wait to make your ST life miserable.

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    Murdoch toilet paper, ALWAYS pro-business and ALWAYS anti-employee, is ing lying, and I'm not going to pay Murdoch to read their lies denying the pay gap male vs female.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if some wealthy racist or racist org took the flag + statue case to the SCOTUS, and the SCOTUS5 were to rule that flying racist flags and building status of racist Confederate generals and politicans are absolutely, extremely protected free speech. If they can overturn 100+ years of stare decisis "calling balls and strikes" call a corporation a person and money is speech, the SCOTUS5 can rule any old idiocy.

    So let's let the neoNazis built big group statues of Hitler, Goering, Speer, Mendele, Himmler, etc opposite every huge synagogue in the USA. It's what civilized people do.

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