Daesh (ISIS) is an American/Zionist ploy against Iran

[LnGrrrR]

Brilliant approach. Droning/bombing one potential terrorist threat at a time. That's really improved our relations in the middle east the last 20 years.

If you note, I did say "stupidity" is one of the causes. The idea that we're not "really fighting" Daesh is misguided, in my mind. What would it take to "really fight" them? How would you classify that? We've already dropped a ton of ordnance on them... just look up Operation Inherent Resolve statistics. http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2014/0814_iraq/ Wouldn't it be much easier to make up a story about ISIS doing bad stuff in Syria, and just attack them directly?

[pgardn]

So we have this much foresight to control the region?

And we get no surprises, things just go our way...

I think the U.S. And Israel are given far too much credit in their ability to manipulate events. But this is what all conspiracy, big bad enemy paranoia will result in... Posters who invent an evil cunning enemy to satisfy their personal boogie man. What's amusing to me is the enemy can be so fearsome and ruthless, or bumbling and incompetent, depending on the current mood of the poster. Watch out! Jew in the closet or under your bed.

[Nero5]

I think the U.S. And Israel are given far too much credit in their ability to manipulate events. But this is what all conspiracy, big bad enemy paranoia will result in... Posters who invent an evil cunning enemy to satisfy their personal boogie man. What's amusing to me is the enemy can be so fearsome and ruthless, or bumbling and incompetent, depending on the current mood of the poster. Watch out! Jew in the closet or under your bed.

Intellectual cowardice.
The thought experiment is simple: were there a switch that could change one element of the situation, would it solve the problem. In this case, there is a switch on your desk and you flick it as Israel becomes a Muslim country overnight, will it solve middle east conflict? No generally it would not if the level of conflict between different muslim groups is anything to go by. Out Iranian Govt friend is a clear and shining example of the issue and Dirk/MS are the opposite sides of the same coin. Willful ignorance precludes reason and facts in preference to certainty. If you have little to strive with, you hope for certainty in something.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs invading Iraq for oil was really meant to destabilize the M/E into a hole so Saddam's Baathist Sunni generals, all fired by the brilliant Bremer, could create ISIS and attack Iraq,Syria, and Iran?

[Will Hunting]

So we have this much foresight to control the region?

And we get no surprises, things just go our way...

I think the U.S. And Israel are given far too much credit in their ability to manipulate events. But this is what all conspiracy, big bad enemy paranoia will result in... Posters who invent an evil cunning enemy to satisfy their personal boogie man. What's amusing to me is the enemy can be so fearsome and ruthless, or bumbling and incompetent, depending on the current mood of the poster. Watch out! Jew in the closet or under your bed.

I am Jewish, so I'm not sure how my beliefs regarding ISIS have anything to do with a paranoia about Jews.

Also, I'm not sure about other posters, but I'm not giving the US or Israel any credit in manipulating events. Maybe I didn't make it clear, but what I'm saying is that the US creating/assisting ISIS in Syria with the hope of weakening Assad/Russia was a stupid approach that didn't even take into account the possibility of ISIS spreading to other countries, like Iraq, where we didn't want a guerilla army destabilizing the region. In essence, it was general sloppiness that caused ISIS and let it get out of control.

[boutons_deux]

"Iraq, where we didn't want a guerilla army destabilizing the region. In essence, it was general sloppiness that caused ISIS and let it get out of control."

Iraq was already, thanks to Repugs, destabilized w/o ISIS

sloppiness? Repugs invading Iraq for oil wasn't sloppiness, it was corporate predation and greed.

[pgardn]

I am Jewish, so I'm not sure how my beliefs regarding ISIS have anything to do with a paranoia about Jews.

Also, I'm not sure about other posters, but I'm not giving the US or Israel any credit in manipulating events. Maybe I didn't make it clear, but what I'm saying is that the US creating/assisting ISIS in Syria with the hope of weakening Assad/Russia was a stupid approach that didn't even take into account the possibility of ISIS spreading to other countries, like Iraq, where we didn't want a guerilla army destabilizing the region. In essence, it was general sloppiness that caused ISIS and let it get out of control.

I got no problem with the above.

The comment about The Jewish paranoia was directed at our resident Nazis and Antisemites.
Actually none of what I wrote was directed at your post.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Intellectual cowardice.
The thought experiment is simple: were there a switch that could change one element of the situation, would it solve the problem. In this case, there is a switch on your desk and you flick it as Israel becomes a Muslim country overnight, will it solve middle east conflict? No generally it would not if the level of conflict between different muslim groups is anything to go by. Out Iranian Govt friend is a clear and shining example of the issue and Dirk/MS are the opposite sides of the same coin. Willful ignorance precludes reason and facts in preference to certainty. If you have little to strive with, you hope for certainty in something.

[Nero5]

How MARVELOUS!
Dirk has in one metaphorical grunt beautifully illustrated the point I was making.
You see is willfully ignorant of the tool he uses to try an insult. ' ' is a word that actually means 'circle' ... but how does 'circle' insult anybody you might ask? Well it was a term used by Jews to belittle other Jews immigrating to the USA, who were unable, like the majority of the population it must be said, to read and write well. So when they had to sign their name they made a circle as their mark ... hence meant 'circle maker'. Of course the real insult, such as it was, was that the person was ignorant and/or illiterate. Hence illustrating the beautiful irony of MS and Dirk's use of the term. They think of it as a deadly insult to Jews, yet they use a Jewish term meaning illiterate ignorance whilst being 'illiterately' ignorant of it's meaning!
Of course with any irony comes a deeper, tragic element. For Dirk and MS it is a personal one, for they are trapped. Not as you might think by big black, Jewish Amazonian's want to laugh at their manhood and pimply white asses. No MS and are trapped by their own fears. They live in the perhaps most prosperous country in the world, with education a plenty, liberty in the streets and free libraries, things that most of the world clamors to move to the USA to use. But instead of living a life of mental growth, both prefer a sniveling intellectual self fellatio fed by the regurgitated of video's on youtube. I prefer the rantings of our Iranian visitor, his position is abundantly understandable, though tragic in it's form. MS and Dirk though, well how laughable a pair to continue to remain ignorant of the words they use.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Cool story bro, you seem to know a lot about the jews and jewish history. Maybe you can tell me why so many jews look like rats? Is it the 1000s of years of inbreeding or are you really more closely related to rodents than humans like n!ggers are to chimps?

[Nero5]

LOL! not really raising the bar are you, but then it's pretty low.
I'm not Jewish so I give no weight to your visions.
But I do enjoy the fact that you are trying SO hard.
Anyway when I think of you I see:

[Pelicans78]

Another subject that is criminally underreported by the American media right now is the US supported Saudi bombing of Yemen which has killed over 2,500 people and is now causing a humanitarian disaster. It was shameful that on the first day of the attacks Obama announced US would provide support as far as logistics and intelligence. I think this was a huge blow to American credibility around the world when they agreed to support the fanatical Wahhabists on this subject. What's funny is DAESH would later lay claim to some suicide bombs inside Yemen in Shiite mosques, as if the air strikes of the Saudis are softening up the interior for DAESH. but the Houthis have withstood this genocidal bombardment by the Saudis, by the grace of Allah. the Saudis, who had no reputation to begin with due to their human rights record (100 beheadings this year), intricate ties to Al Quada/DAESH, and checkbook diplomacy, are now more disgraced than ever.

The Saudis asked the strongest Sunni military (Pakistan) to send their forces into Yemen, but the Pakistani parliament vetoed it.

[Splits]

There's a tiny IS group (Omar Brigades) in Gaza which Israel has aligned with in order to overthrow Hamas. They fire a couple bottle rockets into the desert, and Israel responds by bombing Hamas targets. Pretty sick.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.659932

[Nero5]

I read the article and followed up on Aljazeera reports of the Omar Brigades. Read the New York Times and Times reports that mention them. None of which mention your idea of collusion, do you have any supporting information?

[Splits]

I read the article and followed up on Aljazeera reports of the Omar Brigades. Read the New York Times and Times reports that mention them. None of which mention your idea of collusion, do you have any supporting information?

A Salafist group calling itself the Omar Brigades, which identifies with ISIS, claimed responsibility for the rocket fire on Twitter later Saturday night. The group said it would not abide by an informal truce agreed between Hamas and Israel after last summer's 50-day Gaza war

Israeli defense officials believe that the rocket fire was the result of internal strife between Hamas and a Salafist group. After the rocket fire, Israel Air Force jets struck three Hamas targets in the Strip.

[Nero5]

No suggestion of collusion there at all. Quite the reverse in fact.

[Nero5]

So you are suggesting that the OB are separate from Hamas and should be bombed separate if they transgress? Yet Hamas are claim to have complete control over Gaza and claim to be the 'government' of the area.