Tissue not sold, has to be disposed of in rather expensive incinerators.Buyer: Is there a reason an affiliate just doesn’t have it’s own incinerator?
Because that, I meanPP:
I think it’s probably expensive, I think if push came to shove and they had to
they probably will. Affiliates are just starting to band together and do certain
things, operate labs for example, I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next five or ten
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years, there is somebody who does it, and maybe they take on all of the
business- it’s still business, they’re a non-profit, it’s not like they have a lot of
money lying around at the start. You have to spend money to do something like
that, and they just don’t have the money to spend. And, I think they would rather
just spend it on helping patients. It’s just the right space for it.
Another bit, left very purposefully out, are the potential uses for the donated tissue.And I
think patients respond most to knowing the types of outcomes that it might
contribute to, so for example Alzheimer's research, Parkinson’s research. I think
most of these patients have some experience with at least one of these
conditions or another. I think the ones that come in asking are the ones who have
already had the experience, that’s why they come in asking.
One bit that did get into the edited video, and does add some useful context is that the price tends to be a bit hard to set, given that the costs of any given set of tissue varies.So it just needs to be justifiable. And, look, we have 67
affiliates. They all have different practice environments, different staff, and
so that number—
Another use case: pet food
Infidel foot necklace
Another bit that didn't make it into the video, the planned parenthood rep talking about hewing to ethical guidelines.PP: Well, we like- there’s always concerns too about kind of coercion. So you
always have to make sure they’ve made their decision, to actually have the
procedure, and then before you start adding on other things, any time we do any
research. And Planned Parenthood has very strict protocols or grounds, if we’re
doing a research study in general, when the different points in the consent
happen. This doesn’t fall into the research bucket because it’s not a specific
protocol, it’s not specific project. So, if there’s not consented for a specific
project, it’s not going to an I.R.B., but yet there’s still certain principles we still
think it’s most ethical to follow. And that is just to make sure they’ve made their
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decision and they’re comfortable with the decision, then to say ok, now that
you’re past that point in the process, now there’s one other opportunity we
wanted to let you know about.
Define "baby"
Only thing that would upset the left on this issue is different prices for white and dark meat.
My point:
Despite the ignorant bloviating of Bobby Jindal, it wasn't illegal.
First fact, readily ascertainable.
More fail by the right.
Second point was that the edited video was very much a propaganda piece, with important context that anybody with some critical thinking would want to make a reasonable decision for themselves would want.
Both points I have made.
Do you think that additional context is not needed?
I never said it was illegal. I just think it's f'ed up.
Define "crunchy"
You think it's f'd up that a consenting person has the option to choose to donate their aborted fetus to research?
I wonder how many black lives are lost to this vs the popo?
well that's ok. Your take that the woman would be mentally healed after an abortion is pretty laughable on it's own.
This is the problem with the left. They're pussies.
Who the cares if they sell dead baby parts for science? The baby is ing dead. It doesn't hurt anyone.
But instead of speaking about this logically and directly, leftist s backtrack to ethical guidelines and operating costs.
ur like a child covering your ears and saying "blablablablabla"
^Directed more to RG
The backpedalling on this page is damn near acrobatic.
Good. That's relief. I'd be worried if you thought I made a good point.
do you really think people leave abortion clinics with smiles on their faces? its not a in amusement park
I'll be worried if a lawmaker agrees with your opinions on rape legislation. But thanks for sharing them tho.
my god....
Lol that's not why we shoot down planes with innocents lololol...but that's besides the point..
are there any exceptions to your scarlet letter policy or does every woman that has an abortion gets an A, no exception?
Recent attacks are part of a decade-long pattern of illegal harassment by extremists, whose focus is banning abortion and preventing women from accessing preventive health care at Planned Parenthood health centers.
In a letter to Congress yesterday, Planned Parenthood detailed how recent attacks are part of a decade-long pattern of illegal harassment by extremists, whose focus is banning abortion and preventing women from accessing preventive health care at Planned Parenthood health centers.
In the letter to House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton, Planned Parenthood outlined:
How videos released were edited to falsely claim that the organization violated laws,
How the broader attack was perpetrated,
The extremist ties of the individual who led the fraud, and
What additional tapes the extremists may be planning to distort to make false charges.
Here’s what you need to know:
Planned Parenthood is the most trusted women’s health care provider in this country and has been for nearly 100 years. Nothing is more important to Planned Parenthood than patients’ health and safety. That’s why we are fighting back hard and calling this what it is: part of a decade-long campaign of deceiving the public, making false charges, and terrorizing women and their doctors — all in order to ban abortion and prevent women from accessing care at Planned Parenthood.
Already, conservative politicians have begun to use this fraud campaign to justify legislation to defund Planned Parenthood — which would cut women off from birth control, lifesaving cancer screenings, and other services. Anti-women’s health politicians also are using the fraud campaign to push for legislation banning abortion, both federally and in states.
The Truth About the Video and the Extremists Behind It
Responding to a request Friday, the letter to the congressional committee included these important facts:
Misleading Edits
An analysis of the heavily edited, nine-minute video released last week compared to the uncut 162-minute video: The longer video shows that a Planned Parenthood staffer said 10 different times that Planned Parenthood would not sell tissue or profit from tissue donations. All 10 instances were cut out and the video was edited to falsely claim she said the opposite.
Related Attacks
The man who perpetrated the fraud, David Daleiden, has participated in at least 10 separate fraud campaigns over the last eight years involving gaining access to Planned Parenthood health centers or offices under false pretenses, taping staff (and sometimes patients) without their knowledge on at least 65 occasions (not counting the latest fraud), and misleading the public with heavily edited tapes and false charges.
Another man involved in the fraud, Troy Newman, is the leader of Operation Rescue, whose members have bombed abortion clinics and murdered Dr. George Tiller in his church.
Corporate Espionage
This latest attack started approximately three years ago and included the creation of a phony company claiming to be a health care organization. Daleiden then embarked on a campaign of corporate espionage with Planned Parenthood as its target. The fraud included possible violations of state and federal recording laws and tax laws, as well as the possible use of a false state identification card.
The Months Ahead
Based on initial analysis, Planned Parenthood believes that Daleiden may have thousands of hours of videotape that he will use to edit deceptively into short clips to make false claims, likely for many months.
Among the areas that Planned Parenthood said it expects to see on video are:
Illegal, secret recording in a highly sensitive area of a health center where tissue is processed after abortion procedures, a serious invasion of women’s privacy and dignity.
Offers from impersonators posing as health care professionals to pay various sums of money for tissue or organs, from $100 to $1,600 – offers which could be illegal, and which Planned Parenthood staff refused.
Leading and vague questions and discussions about how abortions are performed to get footage that could be edited to suggest wrongdoing, regardless of the fact that Planned Parenthood staff made clear they would not violate laws.
Cynical and ugly questions about whether tissue from African American patients could be isolated to use for research to find a cure for sickle-cell anemia, presumably to edit deceptively and manufacture false and inflammatory video involving race.
Impact on Planned Parenthood Patients
The letter reiterates that as a high-quality health care provider, Planned Parenthood has extremely high standards and takes swift action any time those standards are not being met.
What we know right now: A group of extremists who have intimidated women and doctors for years — in their agenda to ban abortion completely — are not “do enting” misdeeds; they are making false accusations.
From all that is known today, the only people who have broken laws are the extremists who have hounded women and Planned Parenthood doctors for years.
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