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    When I was in graduate school, I was stopped near Junction, Texas for "driving su iously slowly" because as I was coming down a hill on I-10, I tapped my brakes to control my speed. I wasn't ticketed for that, but somehow my stop ended up being more than an hour long as I was asked to exit the vehicle and was made to sit on a highway guardrail in the midday heat as the trooper searched my car (after I had consented to the search).

    I was asked to get out of the car and consent to a search for one reason: as a reached for my license, my hand hit the gearshift and I dropped the license. Flustered, I picked it up and was shaking a bit. The trooper took that as reason to think that I was nervous and that justified, in his mind, all that followed.

    I later described the incident to a friend who was a DPS trooper in another part of the state. After describing my vehicle (at that point, a Honda Accord), my attire (a polo shirt and shorts with a baseball hat), and a few other things, I was told that I fit the drug courier profile and was going to be searched no matter what. I was astounded to know that just about every college-aged dude driving I-10 at that time was basically within the profile.

    Back then, I didn't really understand my rights during a traffic stop and simply consented out of expedience; my thought was that if I refused to consent, that alone would have resulted in us going to Junction, seeing a magistrate so that the trooper could get a warrant, and a search of my car by a then pissed-off officer.

    I know better now and while I am respectful during my infrequent meet-ups with police officers on the roadways, I'm also wary. I subsequently was stopped by a Deputy Sheriff on Highway 83 while driving one spring night and was also asked to exit the car after simply asking why I had been stopped. While standing on the roadside, I asked the Game Warden (who had been instructed to wait with me) whether I was under arrest. I didn't think the question was in any way inappropriate and I didn't ask it in a smart-assed or disrespectful way. I simply wanted to know where I stood. The question, though, resulted in the Deputy flying out of his vehicle with a flashlight put directly in my face and asking me to repeat the question. I asked again "Am I under arrest" and his response to me was "Do you want to be?" I told him, of course, that I did not but also said that I thought it was important to know so that I could determine what my rights were at that moment in time (given the prior stop and search). There was nothing threatening about my question or my explanation for asking it, but he started talking to me about being a smart ass and all sorts of other things. He relented after his line of questioning established that I was studying law and was close to graduating; I don't know that the outcome would have been as favorable had my answers to those questions been different.

    You can say "yes, sir" and "no, sir" all day long, but that doesn't ensure that the stop will end with a ticket and a have a nice day.

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    the cash wasn't the point. The air fresheners, pro-cop sticker makes ANYONE of legitimate suspect.
    That's the opposite of what's in the opinion you ing idiot.

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    We do have concerns that classifying pro-law enforcement and anti-drug stickers or certain religious imagery as indicators of criminal activity risks putting drivers “in a classic ‘heads I win, tails you lose’ position.” See United
    States v. Escamilla, 560 F.2d 1229, 1233 (5th Cir. 1977); see also United States v. Townsend, 305 F.3d 537, 544 (6th Cir. 2002) (holding that, despite the officer’s assertion that “the presence of a Bible in the car was su ious because drug couriers often display religious symbols to deflect su ion of illegal activity,” the Bible “is a very weak indicator of criminal activity”); cf. Estep v. Dallas Cnty., Tex., 310 F.3d 353, 358–59 (5th Cir. 2002) (holding that
    an NRA sticker on a car should not have been considered in assessing the reasonableness of the officer’s su ion that the driver was dangerous). But we need not decide whether these items alone, or in combination with one another, amount to reasonable su ion because we find the more su ious evidence to be the array of air fresheners and inconsistencies in the driver’s responses to the officer’s basic questions.
    So the court a) cited, with explaining parentheticals, cases holding the opposite of what Jhn Vibe says, b) stated explicitly that it was not giving a ruling regarding the presence of air fresheners/stickers alone (again, opposite of what Jhn Vibe says) because c) the presence of these items along with inconsistencies in the driver's responses to basic questions (not mentioned by Jhn Vibe) created PC.

    Methinks Jhn Vibe went to Boutons School of Law.
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    I don't know. Is that against the law?
    Point was she was free to go after the officer gave her a warning. She could have said no to the officer wanting to speak to her husband and been on her way. Instead she said yes and the husband blew it by acting nervous and su ious during questioning. I suggest reading the full story next time before posting your bull . But who am I kidding you will do nothing of the sort.

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    So the court a) cited, with explaining parentheticals, cases holding the opposite of what Jhn Vibe says, b) stated explicitly that it was not giving a ruling regarding the presence of air fresheners/stickers alone (again, opposite of what Jhn Vibe says) because c) the presence of these items along with inconsistencies in the driver's responses to basic questions (not mentioned by Jhn Vibe) created PC.

    Methinks Jhn Vibe went to Boutons School of Law.
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    Way to split hairs on a point of fact that is meaningless, Crayola. Backing it up by snark, classic. You're sure to make partner soon.

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    Way to split hairs on a point of fact that is meaningless, Crayola. Backing it up by snark, classic. You're sure to make partner soon.
    tl;dr don't care about to hear you repeat from your intro to logic class textbook

    you tout being a superior man, you have half this board on ignore. you're a ing coward.

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    the notion that the accounts I have ignored are lacking other outlets. willful stupidity or legitimate?

    Your problem vy65 is that while you make such claims of apathy we both know that not to be the case. The difference? I just left while you repeatedly spam post about how you don't care.

    Oh and btw, I have never taken a logic course. OTOH, I know for a fact that law schools do teach it. If what I was saying was from a logic textbook why would that be a bad thing? Does intellectual cowardice like that work in court? Wait! What was I thinking. They don't let you make arguments in court.

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    Oh and btw, I have never taken a logic course.
    Shocking

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    lol alternet

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    the notion that the accounts I have ignored are lacking other outlets. willful stupidity or legitimate?

    Your problem vy65 is that while you make such claims of apathy we both know that not to be the case. The difference? I just left while you repeatedly spam post about how you don't care.

    Oh and btw, I have never taken a logic course. OTOH, I know for a fact that law schools do teach it. If what I was saying was from a logic textbook why would that be a bad thing? Does intellectual cowardice like that work in court? Wait! What was I thinking. They don't let you make arguments in court.
    tl;dr don't care about to hear you repeat from your friend's intro to logic class textbook (lol didn't even take logic)

    you tout being a superior man, you have half this board on ignore. you're a ing coward.

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    Formal logic? No, I have not. I have studied number theory and topology though. So have you and talking with you about how models are conceived and related, you now know about it. We can come back to this again. Did UTSA let you graduate without having to learn it or have you just lost it all in the decades since?

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    Oh and btw, I have never taken a logic course
    you probably still have time to enroll in one at your local community college. Would highly recommend it.

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    When I was in graduate school, I was stopped near Junction, Texas for "driving su iously slowly" because as I was coming down a hill on I-10....
    Yah, I got stopped one time heading down to SA somewhere north of junction on US83.

    There was a 50/50 split in the road and I veered to the left, didn't even switch lanes. Cop told me he pulled me over because I failed to signal. He asked the usual "where you heading" small talk and then told me he needed to check my luggage and trunk without giving me any reason.

    After the search, he let me go without even giving me a written warning. I've been pulled over about 15 times in my life, definitely the weirdest.

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    Formal logic? No, I have not. I have studied number theory and topology though. So have you and talking with you about how models are conceived and related, you now know about it. We can come back to this again. Did UTSA let you graduate without having to learn it or have you just lost it all in the decades since?
    Ooh, a UTSA burn. Well done. Maybe I'll graduate to crayon or your coveted ignore list.

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    Yah, I got stopped one time heading down to SA somewhere north of junction on US83.

    There was a 50/50 split in the road and I veered to the left, didn't even switch lanes. Cop told me he pulled me over because I failed to signal. He asked the usual "where you heading" small talk and then told me he needed to check my luggage and trunk without giving me any reason.

    After the search, he let me go without even giving me a written warning. I've been pulled over about 15 times in my life, definitely the weirdest.


    Cuck musk sets them off, tbh.

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    Ooh, a UTSA burn. Well done. Maybe I'll graduate to crayon or your coveted ignore list.
    Wow...

    I'm still using coal...

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    ---dp---

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    Oh it's a good thing you put that in blue font.

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