Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

[littlecoyotecoin]

That's how most FO's work b/c they don't want the scrutiny. But the Spurs are more stable and should go with their best option regardless; assuming it makes the sense to take the financial hit, that's what I think they'd do.

RC says that there is no way they could have afforded Ray McCallum if he was on the free agent open market, and that we were very lucky to be able to trade our second round pick for him. But, you think RC is going to, or should, cut that guy he couldn't have afforded on the open market for a guy in Jimmer that no team wanted.

Seems pretty unlikely, and seems that unless you doubt what RC is telling you about the market, RC and the market both think Ray is better than Jimmer.

I am optimistic about Jimmer as a reclamation project, but I don't think Ray's going to have to be reclaimed to be useful almost immediately.

[Bruno]

Fredette has a 1.5 A/TO ratio...

There isn't really more to say to evaluate his PG "skills".

[ceperez]

Yes, Cory can do everything that McCallum did in that video and do it better.



Cory is WAAAAAAY better than McCallum. People who think Ray's going to go into the Spurs and be better than Joseph in really any way are going to be disappointed. He's cheaper and thusly a better play. But he's not a better player in a vacuum or in the Spurs system. And Fredette will be a pleasant surprise if he have a bigger impact than Reggie Williams did/has. By no means should anyone slot him in above any rotation player the Spurs have had over the last three or four years at this point.

Definitely over rating cojo's impact... CoJo was an average player.... Deal with it. Mccallum has simply more hops and speed. He is going to be better, but that doesn't mean he is even going to be an allstar.

[Axegrinder]

Hopefully Jimm can show us something..seems like a good kid

[Vito Corleone]

All i can say is I'm looking forward to seeing Jimmer in a spurs uniform just to see what he can do with a real team around him. A real system with a real offense. then I will judge him. This team always seems to make bad players good, and good players great. when you have guys like Tim Tony and Manu, they have that affect on a team.

[tesseractive]

Definitely over rating cojo's impact... CoJo was an average player.... Deal with it. Mccallum has simply more hops and speed. He is going to be better, but that doesn't mean he is even going to be an allstar.

Having an average NBA player as your third point guard is a good thing. If McCallum can be an average NBA player and get his defensive assignments and such down the way Cory did, I think we'll be pretty happy, especially given how little we had to pay to get him.

[Nathan89]

Minus his takes this style of highlights is much better than typical highlights.

[HarlemHeat37]

Let's be honest here..if Fredette was Black, this thread wouldn't be 22 pages, tbh..

[TD 21]

People need to stop analyzing a players sole/primary position based on one side of the ball. There are plenty of players who are one position on offense and another on defense. Mills is a prime example. He's an SG on offense and a PG on defense.

Fredette is similar. Despite being PG sized, he's an SG on offense, but the difference is, he has no clearly defined defensive position. Instead, he's match-up dependent. Like Novak, he can only really be played if there's a safe hiding place for him. Meaning, someone who's neither an off the dribble or post up threat.

[aal04]

Interesting vids. Looks like he cant defend a lot of people and he would be a nightmare to defend himself. Another unique pawn at Pops disposal

[cd98]

Takes:

Ray will most likely start 20 games this season, and will spend more time at point guard than Patty Mills.

COJO will have a good season in Toronto. He won't earn what he's paid, but he'll show us things he didn't do in SA.

Jimmer will have his moments in the preseason, but assuming Patty is healthy, Spurs will cut him loose, and he'll have a nice career in Europe.

[Chinook]

Definitely over rating cojo's impact... CoJo was an average player.... Deal with it. Mccallum has simply more hops and speed. He is going to be better, but that doesn't mean he is even going to be an allstar.

You realize that being average is way better than being a fringe roster player, don't you? And I don't get how you think McCallum is faster or more athletic than Cory. The knock on Ray coming out was that he's not a great athlete. I feel like you're just repping McCallum because he's a Spur and you didn't really watch him at all.

[Yuixafun]

Minus his takes this style of highlights is much better than typical highlights.

These are dope man, they show context and depth

[TVI]

Definitely over rating cojo's impact... CoJo was an average player.... Deal with it. Mccallum has simply more hops and speed. He is going to be better, but that doesn't mean he is even going to be an allstar.

I liked CoJo, but he's not worth $30M. Glad he got his paycheck, and I'll miss him as a Spur, but no way would I give him that kind of coin.

[timtonymanu]

these takes by ceperez

You get the scroll right past from here on out breh.

he's still an Austin Daye believer which is all you need to know

[ceperez]

You realize that being average is way better than being a fringe roster player, don't you? And I don't get how you think McCallum is faster or more athletic than Cory. The knock on Ray coming out was that he's not a great athlete. I feel like you're just repping McCallum because he's a Spur and you didn't really watch him at all.

The eye-test tells you McCallum just hast more spring and speed than Joseph.

But if you don't believe it, then let's look at the pre-draft measurements:

Joseph

no step vert: 27.5"
max vertical 35"


McCallum

no step vert: 30.5"
max vertical: 40.0"

satisfied? Ray McCallum not being a great athlete? 40" vertical is not athletic? What planet are you from?

Now add that to Bufford's comment that McCallum can handle the offense better than Joseph. That's a comment on a player that hasn't played a single game for the Spurs. What it means is that Bufford has near zero confidence about Joseph's play making ability.

[tholdren]

Fredette has a 1.5 A/TO ratio...

There isn't really more to say to evaluate his PG "skills".

lol - theres a lot more to say about his PG skills than A/TO

[tholdren]

The eye-test tells you McCallum just hast more spring and speed than Joseph.

But if you don't believe it, then let's look at the pre-draft measurements:

Joseph

no step vert: 27.5"
max vertical 35"


McCallum

no step vert: 30.5"
max vertical: 40.0"

satisfied? Ray McCallum not being a great athlete? 40" vertical is not athletic? What planet are you from?

Now add that to Bufford's comment that McCallum can handle the offense better than Joseph. That's a comment on a player that hasn't played a single game for the Spurs. What it means is that Bufford has near zero confidence about Joseph's play making ability.

would have never guessed that vert. McCallum has too much herky-jerky motion, he looks sloppy and his handles are bad. I don't know what that is about.

[ceperez]

would have never guessed that vert. McCallum has too much herky-jerky motion, he looks sloppy and his handles are bad. I don't know what that is about.

The hops in this dude isn't obvious????!

[RD2191]

ceperez with rookie robdiaz level takes tbh

[tholdren]

The hops in this dude isn't obvious????!

not based on the one highlight tape I saw. He looks like he has zero reactive strength, but at least he hit that buzzer beater for Sacramento.

[ceperez]

not based on the one highlight tape I saw. He looks like he has zero reactive strength, but at least he hit that buzzer beater for Sacramento.

So this dude doesn't have hops?

[tholdren]

So this dude doesn't have hops?

You must have a reading issue. I said I would have never guessed that he had a huge vertical. Im not scouring the internet looking at scrub videos. I bet McCallum gets MVP next year, simply due to his vert.

[ceperez]

You realize that being average is way better than being a fringe roster player, don't you? And I don't get how you think McCallum is faster or more athletic than Cory. The knock on Ray coming out was that he's not a great athlete. I feel like you're just repping McCallum because he's a Spur and you didn't really watch him at all.

This guy isn't a 'great athlete'?

[tholdren]

This guy isn't a 'great athlete'?

he carried the ball - ty pg with great vert. typical