The problem so far is that it seemed the Lakers drafted a high risk, low potential guy. Where does D'Angelo project? Where does Okafor project?
Okafar, is expected to be a Zach Randolph like guy, which is pretty good. Not franchise changing, but pretty good. He had the high ceiling of a Kevin McHale role (really a stretch), and a floor of a Rony Seikaly.
What about D'Angelo? He is looking like a Walt Williams type of player without the athleticism, and that is being generous. His ceiling is what? MCW? Steve Smith? His floor is total and absolute bust, as in guard version of Olowakandi bust.
I agree with this, because that's what happened during the Dwight/Okafor (coincidence) thing back in 2004. Dwight had way more potential, and Okafor was more NBA ready. Okafor won ROY, Dwight showed enormous potential. A decade later, Okafor is retired, Dwight is still playing as a top 10 or so talent in the league.
Problem for the Lakers though, they didn't draft Towns (Dwight), they drafted Russell (Ben Gordon at best, Rafael Araujo at worst)
Ben Gordon at best? Gtfo
Who do you have? Magic?
I already said a Conley/Parker type impact ...is ceiling. I think floor is Jeremy Lin
Why don't you shut up and make me some wonton noodles and egg foo young
Wow, you have pretty high hopes for him. I don't see D'Angelo having anywhere close to that level of athleticism. I am struggling to find a PG with below average quickness and a poor outside shot having any success in the modern day NBA. Conley and Parker are didn't have the outside shot, but both of them are/were exceptionally quick, even by NBA PG standards.
D'Angelo has size and vision on his side, and that is what the Spurs got with SloMo. I think D'Angelo is obviously better than SloMo, but this is the type of player you are looking at.
Who do you have? Really, what is D'AR's ceiling, his floor, and expected?Why don't you shut up and make me some wonton noodles and egg foo young
I have Steve Smith, total bust, and Walt Williams.
never said he has that level of athleticism ...heck Nash, CP3 and Curry lack Parkeresque quickness for example and yet they are still effective. I said that type of ceiling in regards to impact. And who says he will alwys shoot what he shot in SL? You really need to calm down it's was 3 or 4 meaningless games.
Curry and Nash are/were two of the best shooters the league has ever seen, and CP3 is incredibly quick (reaction time wise).
And Dangelo shot poorly in a couple of meaningless games against nobodies. That's the concern.
Who knows, he may be able to turn into a second third option on a couple of championship teams, but I don't really see it.
Ambc, I'm a Spurs fan and even I get annoyed with your goalposts. You are a smart poster when you do talk basketball but not when you have an alternative motive when you post. I'm not necessarily saying in this thread specifically but what you've been doing in your last 6 "debates" or so.
Good to know I've been followed, but I am particularly interested in how my goalposts have moved.
I came into this thread saying that drafting for potential is more important than drafting by readiness (see Dwight vs. Okafor, and agreeing with KK81), but D'AR doesn't seem like the guy with potential.
I ended up saying he doesn't seem to be a 2nd or 3rd option on a championship team.
Where did the goalpost move?
And please extrapolate with the last 6 debates I had. i don't remember what I said and how they were contradictory.
Oh, amb you are so cute when you play naive ... I agree with some of what he said ...but I'll leave you be. Nothing can be proved without some meaningful games and even then it may take longer some rookies are far from ready year one and DRussell is a young rook at that ...
I wont lie I will be watching him closely year one but if he is solid but not spectacular I still wouldnt write him off. If by next February (not this coming one) I dont see signs of potential s om then I will have issues with the pick.
Knee jerk reactions are fool-hardy. For example, I think Vonleh still has potential but MJ traded him in for Kaminsky after one year (technically Batum was the trade asset but Jordan is gambling The Tank will be better than Noah and I think Vonleh has the better longterm future but Kaminsky probably more NBA ready even this year)
We will see. Maybe MJ saw enough in one year to know he will never be great or even good ... I just think some players take a while to develop like Nash did for example ...
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Oh, amb you are so cute when you play naive ... I agree with some of what he said ...but I'll leave you be. Nothing can be proved without some meaningful games and even then it may take longer some rookies are far from ready year one and DRussell is a young rook at that ...
I wont lie I will be watching him closely year one but if he is solid but not spectacular I still wouldnt write him off. If by next February (not this coming one) I dont see signs of potential s om then I will have issues with the pick.
Knee jerk reactions are fool-hardy. I think Vonleh still has potential but MJ traded him in for Kaminsky after one year (technically Batum was the trade asset but Jordan is gambling The Tank will be better than Noah and I think Vonleh has the better longterm future but Kaminsky probably more NBA ready even this year)
We will see. Maybe MJ saw enough in one year to know he will never be great or even good ... I just think some players take a while to develop like Nash did for example ...
Parker and Conley had explosive quick first steps at 19. That's not something you develop later in life.. And to say he has a Tony Parker ceiling is laughable, unless you mean 2014-15 Parker.
I was serious, where did I move any goal post, perhaps you can show me. I try to stay as consistent in my arguments as I possibly can throughout the entire conversation, in each and every thread.
And I agree with you, we will have to watch some real games, but so far, it's tough to see him having an overly high ceiling. Perhaps the SL were an aberration, but he has so many flaws, especially for a PG, that it would be tough for him to overcome.
He was a great three point shooter in college, so I hope it was just a funk. It may just be him going into a bad streak, but it may be because he is struggling with getting clean looks because of his below average athleticism.
Also, I agree PGs need a few years to really develop, especially those who are not natural floor leaders. Happened with Payton, happened with Nash, happened with Kidd (to an extent), happened to Curry, happened to Stockton, happened to Billups, happened to Conley, happened to Parker. Maybe give him 3 years or so to see what he's made of, but the signs are not pointing to yes.
And yes, I will point to Kobe, it would be tough for D'AR to really run a team with Kobe looking over his shoulder and dominating the ball. If Kobe would give up the reigns a bit, it would help his development, but I am not holding my breath. he didn't do it for Shaq, MVPau, Dwight, D'AR has no chance.
Finally, wrt to Jordan, the guy is a horrible talent evaluator. Cho is the one doing the work.
I'm not saying in this post specifically but every time I've seen you post, it's always something against the Lakers and/or their players and I can tell you're just doing that to annoy them(that's the goal of the post). By the Last 6 or so debates, it's from when I come across. I don't particularly follow you but it's just what I come across when reading threads.
Bori,,,posters are constantly moving the goal posts,,,I do it all the time. That's anonymous posting on a sports site at its finest,,,there is no integrity in this ,,,,that's rule #1,,,
Missed my point ...please see above. Never said he would develop a first step like those guys ...
FWIW it took Conley about 4 years to acclimate to the NBA. Only recently did he become a reliable volume 3 pt shooter. If Conley really was a better prospect out of college than this guy was, it's going to be a while before he makes an impact in the NBA. Not sure LA fans or the organization will be willing to show the kind of patience we showed Conley in his development. They'll run him out of town or trade him for scraps, only to be torched by him in the playoffs when he's 27.
Lakers don't know what they are doing, Spank,,,,that is fact. Their biggest claim to fame over the last 15 years in the draft is Andrew Bynum,,,,a guy no longer in the league,,,that the degenerate horse gambler wanted and overrode their supposidely great GM Kupcake,,,,When you take Russell over Okafor,,,it shows your lack of drafting talent. They took Russell to try and say look how savvy we are,,,when the rest of the world said,,,savvy? no,,,youre just stupid,
What is the impact you're referring to? He can't shoot, he can't attack off the dribble. He can pass, but his bball IQ is questionable... He doesn't have much going for him to have an impact on even a lottery Lakers team. If LA doesn't run him out of town, maybe he can be a spot up shooter.
Your takes are tier than bro..you need to work on your analysis game
There's always next years lottery. Or the year after next got
if this clown cant even beat enrique...then all i can say is...draft busts
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