Liberalism in Action: Planned Parenthood Sells Dead Baby Body Parts

[spurraider21]

In a partial birth abortion the mother is in labor, the baby slides ALMOST all the way out the birth canal and then they stab it in the head before it is completely out to kill it.

you keep calling it a baby, which is by definition... wrong. repeating your mistake doesn't make it right

[CosmicCowboy]

We can both play that semantic game but your argument is stupid. From another dictionary:

baby
[bey-bee]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
noun, plural babies.
1.
an infant or very young child.
2.
a newborn or very young animal.
3.
the youngest member of a family, group, etc.
4.
an immature or childish person.
5.
a human fetus.

[spurraider21]

you just keep using the word baby to make a more powerful emotional case

its a see-through act

[CosmicCowboy]

you just keep using the word baby to make a more powerful emotional case

its a see-through act

It's being honest and accepting the implications of the act instead of hiding behind semantic synonyms like fetus and zygote trying to dehumanize it.

[spurraider21]

It's being honest and accepting the implications of the act instead of hiding behind semantic synonyms like fetus and zygote trying to dehumanize it.

i have not dehumanized it. i've even argued it's human.

i just understand the difference between pre-birth and post-birth

and the standards they go by for abortions is viability. as far as legally performed abortions go, if the fetus could survive outside the womb, it cant be aborted

[CosmicCowboy]

i have not dehumanized it. i've even argued it's human.

i just understand the difference between pre-birth and post-birth

and the standards they go by for abortions is viability. as far as legally performed abortions go, if the fetus could survive outside the womb, it cant be aborted

You are wrong.

[spurraider21]

You are wrong.

Planned Parenthood v Casey established the viability standard. It's the governing law right now. It replaced the horribly flawed "trimester" system from Roe v Wade

[Blake]

I just think its the lesser of two evils even though I still find it wrong.

which is the lesser of the two evils?

[CosmicCowboy]

Planned Parenthood v Casey established the viability standard. It's the governing law right now. It replaced the horribly flawed "trimester" system from Roe v Wade

Bull

Casey did not define a specific date of viability. Casey did recognize that viability could occur before the third trimester. Casey did not resolve the conflict between viability and undue burden.

[spurraider21]

Bull

Casey did not define a specific date of viability. Casey did recognize that viability could occur before the third trimester.

i never said they established a date. that's the point of viability instead of trimesters. it's flexible. trimesters are stupid, and casey eliminated the trimester rule completely.

[CosmicCowboy]

United States: In 2003, from data collected in those areas that sufficiently reported gestational age, it was found that 6.2% of abortions were conducted between 13 and 15 weeks, 4.2% between 16 and 20 weeks, and 1.4% at or after 21 weeks

[spurraider21]

as long as a doctor determines it isn't viable, it's legal.

[CosmicCowboy]

as long as a doctor determines it isn't viable, it's legal.

Dude, there is no national law governing. It's state by state.

And yeah, if the doctor stabs it in the head before it clears the birth canal the doctor can certainly say it wasn't viable.

[spurraider21]

Dude, there is no national law governing. It's state by state.

i'm speaking of the supreme court decision, which supersedes state law

And yeah, if the doctor stabs it in the head before it clears the birth canal the doctor can certainly say it wasn't viable.

viability is determined BEFORE the procedure

[CosmicCowboy]

i'm speaking of the supreme court decision, which supersedes state law


viability is determined BEFORE the procedure

You believe in the tooth fairy too?

[spurraider21]

and now we've reached THIS point of the discussion... sigh

i'm speaking of legally performed abortions. for the record, i'm against all illegally performed abortions.

[Phenomanul]

i have not dehumanized it. i've even argued it's human.

i just understand the difference between pre-birth and post-birth

and the standards they go by for abortions is viability. as far as legally performed abortions go, if the fetus could survive outside the womb, it cant be aborted

That's the part you guys aren't getting. No baby can survive on its own. They ALL need parental attention/nurturing of some sort to supply their most basic needs. Otherwise they all die. BY VERY DEFINITION for someone so keen on playing semantics games, no child is "viable" on their own.

Babies are being killed before they get a chance to draw their own breath. Pining them against the birth canal to stab them in the skull and suck out their brains, only to suggest they weren't really "born" and hence aren't real "babies" is disingenuousness of the utmost kind.

[CosmicCowboy]

and now we've reached THIS point of the discussion... sigh

i'm speaking of legally performed abortions. for the record, i'm against all illegally performed abortions.

It is the gray area of viability.

Fact: before 21 weeks 0% are viable

Fact; after 27 weeks virtual 100% viability

Fact: According to the Guttmacher ins ute, 1.1% of abortions, or 13,310 happen after 21 weeks, including roughly 1,700 after 25 weeks.

[Spurminator]

And yeah, if the doctor stabs it in the head before it clears the birth canal the doctor can certainly say it wasn't viable.

viability is determined BEFORE the procedure

You believe in the tooth fairy too?

That's a pretty ed up view you have of OB/GYNs, CC. You really think they're just casually killing healthy babies out of sick pleasure?

[CosmicCowboy]

That's the part you guys aren't getting. No baby can survive on its own. They ALL need parental attention/nurturing of some sort to supply their most basic needs. Otherwise they all die. BY VERY DEFINITION for someone so keen on playing semantics games, no child is "viable" on their own.

Babies are being killed before they get a chance to draw their own breath. Pining them against the birth canal to stab them in the skull and suck out their brains, only to suggest they weren't really "born" and hence aren't real "babies" is disingenuousness of the utmost kind.

Don't be so narrow minded. They are killing a fetus, not a baby...

[CosmicCowboy]

That's a pretty ed up view you have of OB/GYNs, CC. You really think they're just casually killing healthy babies out of sick pleasure?

Not necessarily. I'm sure in some cases it comes down to post birth quality of life...genetic issues, birth defects, downs syndrome, etc. where the parent decides late in the pregnancy that it's best for all to terminate. I'm not saying it's always a flippant easy decision for anyone.

[Spurminator]

That's the part you guys aren't getting. No baby can survive on its own. They ALL need parental attention/nurturing of some sort to supply their most basic needs. Otherwise they all die. BY VERY DEFINITION for someone so keen on playing semantics games, no child is "viable" on their own.

There are any number of options for supporting the attention and nutritional needs of a viable baby once it is born. We don't require mothers to keep and care for their babies after birth.

[Spurminator]

Not necessarily. I'm sure in some cases it comes down to post birth quality of life...genetic issues, birth defects, downs syndrome, etc. where the parent decides late in the pregnancy that it's best for all to terminate.

In almost every single case, it's that.

[spurraider21]

That's the part you guys aren't getting. No baby can survive on its own. They ALL need parental attention/nurturing of some sort to supply their most basic needs. Otherwise they all die. BY VERY DEFINITION for someone so keen on playing semantics games, no child is "viable" on their own.

viability is not about nutrition or housing.

The court defined viable to mean capable of prolonged life outside the mother's womb. It said this included fetuses that doctors expected to be sustained by respirators.

Babies are being killed before they get a chance to draw their own breath. Pining them against the birth canal to stab them in the skull and suck out their brains, only to suggest they weren't really "born" and hence aren't real "babies" is disingenuousness of the utmost kind.

you're anti-abortion/pro-life. i'm not.

c'est la vie

[Phenomanul]

That's a pretty ed up view you have of OB/GYNs, CC. You really think they're just casually killing healthy babies out of sick pleasure?

It's always about the money. Naïve to think otherwise...

That said, anyone who's become so desensitized to commit repeated partial birth abortions in the manner described above IS a sick individual. Who repeatedly stabs other humans in the back of the skull, proceeds to suck out their brains and then watches their skulls collapse? And you're suggesting this practice isn't horrific in and of itself? You all are just as deranged for defending the practice - and have as much blood on your hands as the executioner doctors that perform these deeds.