Are We Really Safer?

[lefty]

gun homicides, the one sport every country plays, and USA is World Champion, and perennial, untouchable leader in the Premier League of developed countries.

Got a problem, even just perceived problem (like cop's ego threat)? Shoot somebody. It's The American Way

2nd Amendment!

marans!

Freedom!

home defense! ("Of the female murder victims for whom the relationships to their offenders were known, 37.5 percent were murdered by their husbands or boyfriends.", not by the crazed black hordes which huge raping s)

Water the tree!

[boutons_deux]

Everyone in you in that thread, nut. That's what happens when you defend the bat crazy shooter.
A cop got killed in Houston. Just waiting for your demented spin.

lots of nuts, TB , can't read, won't read, for .

You white people think you can over blacks with impunity.

That was one sicko black that didn't, couldn't take it anymore.

Listen to blacks' greivances, you rightwingnut racist. That daily from white adds up.

[TeyshaBlue]

off, Idiot.

Anyone here think I'm a racist besides this pathetic, special needs chimp?

[TeyshaBlue]

C'mon coward. Prove me a racist.

[TeyshaBlue]

Lets go, knuclehead.

[TeyshaBlue]

[TeyshaBlue]

[Th'Pusher]

So you agree then that any gun control debate that doesn't address the fact that 7% of the population is responsible for 50% of gun deaths is misguided? Or do you think restricting hand gun (or assault rifle, or whatever) ownership addresses the largest source of problem?

I think that restricting ownership would go a long way toward addressing the problem, but it's politically untenable. The guns are out and there is an entrenched lobby set on keeping them there with a load of morons who believe they're en led to access.

I think that the black community that creates a culture that glorifies violence, murder, and materialism should seriously re-evaluate the culture it creates. Don't you?

Ok. So how are you going to accomplish that? Don't limit your response to policy

[Th'Pusher]

I think that the black community that creates a culture that glorifies violence, murder, and materialism should seriously re-evaluate the culture it creates. Don't you?

Maybe you can propose a law that requires melanin heavy people to be more introspective.

[Sean Cagney]

Damn I got love for Spanish people man but what the is wrong with people in those countries? Are they just naturally ing crazy ass people with no morals? Not all of them of course but cot damn at that list. Remind me to never visit.

I knew Jamaicans were ing crazy and Trinidad has it's spots but the list is telling

[Winehole23]

Most likely proximate cause is a nice hedge. Do you have any evidence, empirical/statistical, or otherwise for such a bold assertion?

the study posted upstream. please pay attention.

[Winehole23]

thanks for pretending to catch up, it's always such a treat to read your posts!

[Winehole23]

Guns are brutally efficient.
But they are not pulling their own triggers nor formenting intent.
That's where the work begins

absent most efficient means of killing, deadly intent might be less deadly, no?

[TeyshaBlue]

Agreed.

[DarrinS]

It was worse in the late 80's to mid 90's.

[boutons_deux]

It was worse in the late 80's to mid 90's.

80s, early 90s: crack cocaine epidemic. crack cocaine USERS were getting 30 yrs in NY

[TheSanityAnnex]

I think that restricting ownership would go a long way toward addressing the problem

Racist

[boutons_deux]

Murder Rates Rising Sharply in Many U.S. Cities

MILWAUKEE — Cities across the nation are seeing a startling rise in murders after years of declines, and few places have witnessed a shift as precipitous as this city. With the summer not yet over, 104 people have been killed this year — after 86 homicides in all of 2014.

More than 30 other cities have also reported increases in violence from a year ago. In New Orleans, 120 people had been killed by late August, compared with 98 during the same period a year earlier. In Baltimore, homicides had hit 215, up from 138 at the same point in 2014.

In Washington, the toll was 105, compared with 73 people a year ago. And in St. Louis, 136 people had been killed this year, a 60 percent rise from the 85 murders the city had by the same time last year.

Law enforcement experts say disparate factors are at play in different cities, though no one is claiming to know for sure why murder rates are climbing. Some officials say

intense national scrutiny of the use of force by the police has made officers less aggressive and emboldened criminals,

though many experts dispute that theory.

Rivalries among organized street gangs, often over drug turf, and the availability of guns are cited as major factors in some cities, including Chicago.

But more commonly, many top police officials say they are seeing a growing willingness among disenchanted young men in poor neighborhoods to use violence to settle ordinary disputes.

“Maintaining one’s status and credibility and honor, if you will, within that peer community is literally a matter of life and death,” Milwaukee’s police chief, Edward A. Flynn, said. “

And that’s coupled with a very harsh reality, which is the mental calculation of those who live in that strata that it is more dangerous to get caught without their gun than to get caught with their gun.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us...ushpmg00000003

gangs killing over turf and drugs.

Bad Guys with stupidly ready, widespread access to guns. Thanks, NRA/GOA/gun industry/gun fellators/2nd-Amendment-marans!

who disputes the police going hard on criminals? The problem is police, jails going hard on non-violent non-criminals.

[101A]

does being black (or latino) tend to make you a murderer?

Playing Devil's Advocate:

[CosmicCowboy]

We could cut the murder rate in half overnight if we made it illegal for blacks to own guns.

[101A]

This article kind of hashes where this debate has gone:

http://americablog.com/2013/01/ann-c...a-belgium.html

US ‘whites only’ murder rate: 2.6
Denamark 1.0
Ireland 1.2
Norway 0.8
Sweden 0.9
Greece 1.4
Italy 1.4
Spain 1.2
Austria 0.8
France 1.7
Germany 1.2
Switzerland 1.0

[101A]

67% of murders in the US (2003-2010) were committed using a firearm. That gives a non-firearms murder rate of 1.8 per 100,000, which is only slightly higher than the rate in the UK (1.5), which has strong gun control laws and a negligible firearm murder rate (0.1).

[101A]

That said, although it should be obvious that there IS a correlation between liberal gun ownership and violent death - it would be very hard to put that Genie back in the bottle. The UK, for example, has had strict gun laws for pretty much ever. If we were to enact such legislation it would probably take quite a while to start experiencing anything like the results they have. During that time, I can imagine a situation where "only criminals have guns", with the criminals well aware of that fact.

Otherwise law-abiding citizens would then be faced with the choice of turning in their firearms, or becoming criminals (simply for the ownership of said firearms).

[boutons_deux]

We could cut the murder rate in half overnight if we made it illegal for blacks to own guns.

that could work, but how about "We could cut the murder rate in half overnight, also cut burglaries by druggies searching stuff to sell, if we cancelled the war on drugs, legalized all of them".

eg, see Portugal's experiment.

[Clipper Nation]

You mention Venezuela, a borderline 3rd world country

Socialism in action.