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7ppg and got cut.
KL played a huge role in Matt Barnes success in the playoffs.
7ppg and got cut.
and he still made KL look bad7ppg and got cut.
Who? No one forgets...
You can't think 2 or 3 haters/trolls posting here are representative of Spurs fans.
There have always been trolls and this is the way it has always been, they're going to hate on everything they see no matter what...
If you need an example of how it works, just read these two entirely different reactions to the same article about Kawhi ranked #10
When it comes to trolls (TGY, Super, K...)
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...12#post8184212
Or fans
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/...a-players-list
Player fans hijacking another good thread smdh
It's not hate to say kawhi is a good but not great player.
Fwiw every off season I'm gonna produce a thread with some variation of the following
"Has Leonard peaked" and every year someone will have predicted sky high production from kawhi.
Some people are arguing kawhi>LMA as for team impact. Some advanced stats minded pro analysts would agree. Others would not. What's important is that there is a fair debate and no hurt feelings.
What I consider dumb is people trying to evaluate kawhi using highlights and lowlights.
From the clippers series to Miami, we have the min and max of Leonard. Great, but the question is can he contestantintly be the man on both o and d night in and night out or is he just an ensemble player who on occasion can take over..... Or someone who can take over more often than not. Only peak lebron, shaq, and a few others can dominate all the time everyone. What we are looking for here is some variation of more often than not and when it matters
Lmao pounding the rock being an objective source.
Fwiw at worse I think kwi is 15-20 ranked player. If you forced me to name players better kawhi prob moves closer to 10.
We're arguing about a pretty narrow range here. But that si ranking was clearly projecting onto Leonard further development. I'm not projecting any further talent. Neither me or the article is wrong, both are opinion. I just think there's evidence Leonard might never be an alpha. If you want to describe him as a psuedo alpha go ahead but if he's not an alpha you could call him a role player.
Good post. The interesting thing about fandom is perspective. We talk about Lebron with reverence, but if this was a Heat board with the same posters, imagine what they would say about Lebron. I'm sure it'd be along the lines of "how does the greatest player in the world get contained by KAWHI LEONARD?? That scrub isn't even an all star. Lebron must be a scrub." You hit the nail on the head, if Kawhi can become consistent super s om is possible. Other than Anthony Davis, there are few players Kawhi's age or younger I'd prefer.
He was a role player with Nash. But that's debatable. The thing about s om is no one has specified that a certain level of stats denotes s om. Is argue kawhi already has star stats. But it's the leadership and consistency that are lacking. I think you need all three to be a star: good stats, leadership capability, and consistency.MARION IS A ROLE PLAYER WITHOUT NASH
No one is 100% consistent. But you need to be more consistent in the playoffs or have a good reason for not dominating.
Kawhi is young and a work in progress... hopefully he keeps progressing... his ceiling seems high
Every year but last year he's progressed more than your normal prospect, it's been frankly super surreal. That is with the exception of last year which was explained by injury. So you have a super improving prospect with an unusual skillset, but you also have the absolute truth that at some point he will peak and it may not necessarily be an age related peak. It could be personality or injury tolerance.
I get tired of people overstating kawhis current value. He was our best player last year but not by a lot. Very few people these days under estimate k, but there are buckets of trolls and immature kids who widely overstate his impact.
I think people forget he's just 24... there's some areas he still needs to improve a lot, like his footwork and attacking the basket... he also bulked up a bit, which hopefully helps with his frailty.
He doesn't look like a player that has huge innate talent, but he's a gym rat, and willing to put up the work. I think this is the time where he'll either move to s om or not, and let's hope he does.
Does it really matter?
Matt barnes...
agree with this take. It's possible that even if offensively he's as good as he's ever going to get, he's already very good. What he does defensively coupled with the offense he does give you will place his team in a position to win most of the time, therefore he's rightfully a max player. If he wants to transcend and get to the MVP level he wants and to a hall of fame career without the big 3, he will need to do more, but he's young still and capable of hitting another level we haven't seen. Not sure about his leadership, he's maybe too quiet to inspire others and get a desire to win under their skin. Privately it may be different than we think, but even Tim has said he doesn't talk to them. I think Kawhi will need a costar always for that reason. Someone is going to have the heart, soul and fire to get others riled up and going. Consistency is also a big problem for him, lately we have seen that when his shots are not falling he gets discouraged and diminishes his defensive intensity. He's better suited to be a costar so far. I do hope he proves me wrong though. I don't care to be right about this impression of what he has shown so far. I wished he went to the uSA team olimpics. I think he could get better from facing the unfamiliar and having to mesh to win with guys who are not his regular teammates.
But you aren't saying he's good or great, you say he's a role player because your stupid "only alpha's are stars and the rest are role players"
You called Chris Paul star because he led his team in the first round last playoffs so he was a role player when his team couldn't even get past the first round?
If we look his playoffs career, we wouldn't say he's a consistent player or an extraordinary leader, why he's a star if you said a star needs "good stats, leadership capability, and consistency".
What's about the young stars in the league?
Lillard. I'd pick Kawhi over him, like others said LMA did it too, but he's a star and not Kawhi?
Klay Thompson. He isn't a consistent player in playoffs, he isn't a leader, he's the #2 option on his team but he isn't a role player. Kawhi on his worst day is 10 times better overall player than him but Kawhi isn't a star?
Kawhi Leonard is already a star, not a superstar like LeBron, Shaq or Duncan, but he's a top 10-15 player in the league, not a role player.
Scottie Pippen wasn't "the alpha" playing along Jordan, but he wasn't a role player in Chicago.If you want to describe him as a psuedo alpha go ahead but if he's not an alpha you could call him a role player.
Like I said before the criteria is meaningless if it only applies to Kawhi.
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Agreed. They're only 3 or 4 trolls/haters who every time post negative comments about him, like TGY, Super, KBL, and you.
The Spurs' offensive Big 3 "LMA, green, Parker." Danny is more versatile/better offensive player than Kawhi? C'mon...I expect more effort from you.
definitely not a #1 option on offense (yet) thats why getting LMA was huge. hes a perfect #2, for now.
I didn't say they're objective posters, it's a fan page, I pointed out the difference between fans and haters/trolls like you.
Good job, this post sounds more like you.
This new season? Maybe, maybe not. Kawhi'll take the last-big step in his evolution when Tim are Manu are gone.
2017, 26 years old...he should be very, very close to reaching his full ceiling.
Why are ppl comparing Kawhi to a 6 time allstar??
this, tbh
kiwi should be compared to his fellow 0 time all stars like matt bonner
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