I just withdrew from med school & now have to re-acclimate myself back into society

[Silver&Black]

engineering education >>>

What kind of engineering degree do you have?

[Spurs 4 The Win]

l already had a well paying job before I went to medical school & I can tell you paying the bills was one of the easiest things I had to do in my life. On the other hand, you might want to try locking yourself in a study room essentially memorizing mind numbing material for 4 months straight then get back at me. There are a select few w/ ridiculous memorization skills or are plain geniuses who have an easier go at it than the majority but the rest are essentially torturing themselves. Most of them put themselves through this for 4 years because they have some ulterior motive that goes beyond wanting to help people such as prestige/money, family/peer pressure, not having other career interests...etc. I for one am not willing to subjugate myself to torture because I have other career interests & never cared about the prestige/money nor do I have any family/peer pressure to become a physician.

If you think everyone learns the same way & has the same ulterior motive thus I should be able to plow through it just because your uncle did then I guess I'm a "pussy".

I did the 4 years memorizing pointless things bud, so youre ing to the wrong person about that. Next time you feel like quitting, man up and dont be a .

[Kawhitstorm]

I did the 4 years memorizing pointless things bud, so youre ing to the wrong person about that. Next time you feel like quitting, man up and dont be a .

You seem miserable for having tortured yourself for those 4 years (+ slaving away in residency for at least 3 years) to support your kids & pay the bills meanwhile I'll be laying back at the beach sipping pina colada EVERY weekend without having to worry about student loans, filling out mind numbing paper work, dealing w/ disgruntled patients, having to be on call during the holidays...etc. Have a nice life Mr. Macho man.

[Agloco]

I'm just going to play it safe & stick to the clinical sciences then try to build some type of medical startup in Africa after learning mastering my craft in the States.

This was the angle I was alluding to. I work for one person: Me.

Good luck!

[Agloco]

I remember several years ago I was asked if I was going to pursue my PhD. My response was, if I needed a PhD, I would hire one.

Well sure. Depends on ones end game though. If you're in the right niche there's plenty of cash ready to be thrown at you.

[elbamba]

No he actually exports the coffee you buy at Starbucks for a premium price.

Glad I don't drink coffee or ever go to Starbucks.

[Kawhitstorm]

Glad I don't drink coffee or ever go to Starbucks.

Seems like there is no joy in your life...why so SALTY?

[dabom]

I got a CE degree. Thumbsuppic*

[Rummpd]

Made it through med school but agree it was a miserable experience/here hoping u do and find what makes u happy going fwd

[tholdren]

...which is completely irrelevant if you're doing something you hate and aren't committed to.

Also, money isn't the only measure of value.

You're wrong. Only people who are a) financially stable or b) live somewhere which currency is not used (?) would be able to say that.

Doing something that you hate or aren't committed to, could simply be means to and end. I don't necessarily think that my occupation is what I would choose to be when I grow up, but I have no debt, my kids are in great schools, and I have 2 homes. I'm not sure how happy I would be if I did something I loved every day, but had to worry about living pay-check to pay-check, worried about my kids in public schools, and was in debt up to my ears.

OP sounds like a typical anti-work kid, who blames his problems on outside influences, rather than getting what he wants by grinding.

PS the memorization piece is complete BS. Anyone can memorize "at a high level" that is actually the lowest level of thinking there is. This punk should be telling us all thank you, for paying his internet and student debt while he goes tallywacking through the forest like Walt Whitman.

[dabom]

You're wrong. Only people who are a) financially stable or b) live somewhere which currency is not used (?) would be able to say that.

Doing something that you hate or aren't committed to, could simply be means to and end. I don't necessarily think that my occupation is what I would choose to be when I grow up, but I have no debt, my kids are in great schools, and I have 2 homes. I'm not sure how happy I would be if I did something I loved every day, but had to worry about living pay-check to pay-check, worried about my kids in public schools, and was in debt up to my ears.

OP sounds like a typical anti-work kid, who blames his problems on outside influences, rather than getting what he wants by grinding.

PS the memorization piece is complete BS. Anyone can memorize "at a high level" that is actually the lowest level of thinking there is. This punk should be telling us all thank you, for paying his internet and student debt while he goes tallywacking through the forest like Walt Whitman.

You sound like you wanna give more tax breaks for corporations.


And I have zero debt if you're wondering.

[Perry Mason]

Medicine tends to suck now because the profession, which has been a cartel since the progressives made it that way in the early 20th century, is now so heavily regulated and full of mandates that it limits options, limits supply, limits treatment options, and so takes all joy out of medicine. Some specialities do very well. Those blaming the corporationy corporations really have no clue and need to read the history of the third party payment system and why it even exists (hint: government control and cartelization).

My doctor buddy left being the head of bariatrics at a prestigious university hospital, to make bank as the head of his own boutique clinic doing the same thing. He went from overworked upper middle class and over taxed grunt, to making bank and enjoying himself. You have to find the pockets of freedom to enjoy yourself.

Law has similar problems but at a lesser level. If you work in the transactional space, avoid litigation, and have a talent for negotiations and social skills, you can write your own ticket. I'm 34 and make close to a million a year doing this. But I had to grind through law school and and life as a big firm associate. Now though I set my own pace.

[Kawhitstorm]

OP sounds like a typical anti-work kid, who blames his problems on outside influences, rather than getting what he wants by grinding.

PS the memorization piece is complete BS. Anyone can memorize "at a high level" that is actually the lowest level of thinking there is. This punk should be telling us all thank you, for paying his internet and student debt while he goes tallywacking through the forest like Walt Whitman.

If I was an "anti-work" kid I wouldn't even get into med school in the first place. I do agree memorization is the lowest level of learning (which is why I absolutely hated it since I actually like learning the concepts) but there are levels to it. I wasn't educated in a school system that required excessive memorization nor were we drilled w/ standardized tests so my learning style is much different than my American peers.

I definitely chose the wrong major/field for my learning style but I'm not going to dwell on it. Looking back, it's kind of funny how my roommate was an EE major & I was able to hang w/ him in Calculus/DE/Physics (I was undeclared)...I actually used to help him out when we took a Python programming class. Maybe I will look into Bioinformatics or a similar field but it's been a while since I encountered a calculus/DE based problem.

[FkLA]

What kind of engineering degree do you have?

ME my fellow engineer brah

[apalisoc_9]

Do people in their mid 20's and early 20's in the US really have huge educational debts?

I paid for all my schooling without loaning at all but I had to take three semesters every year so I can work full time while going to school.

50% of what I use to make every week goes to my university fund.

[Silver&Black]

ME my fellow engineer brah

Mechanical...nice. I only had to take the basics of ME...THANK GOD!!!

Civil Engineering FTW TBQH.

[Kawhitstorm]

Do people in their mid 20's and early 20's in the US really have huge educational debts?

I paid for all my schooling without loaning at all but I had to take three semesters every year so I can work full time while going to school.

50% of what I use to make every week goes to my university fund.

It depends on the major &/or the school, if you are in the hard sciences then you probably would struggle to finish in 4 years while in good standing if you were working full-time. I went to a public Ivy & worked part-time for to cover my groceries plus other miscellaneous expenses but the rest was covered by grants/scholarships.

If you're talking about med school then you would be struggling to even find time to go to the gym let alone work. Even if you did work full-time there is no way you would be able to cover the tuition w/ a typical college student income. Folks who graduate from med school without debt either have a full-scholarship (very rare) or have wealthy parents (pretty common).

[apalisoc_9]

It depends on the major &/or the school, if you are in the hard sciences then you probably would struggle to finish in 4 years while in good standing if you were working full-time. I went to a public Ivy & worked part-time for to cover my groceries plus other miscellaneous expenses but the rest was covered by grants/scholarships.

If you're talking about med school then you would be struggling to even find time to go to the gym let alone work. Even if you did work full-time there is no way you would be able to cover the tuition w/ a typical college student income. Folks who graduate from med school without debt either have a full-scholarship (very rare) or have wealthy parents (pretty common).

yeah for sure...

but I've read people w h ty arts degree that owe lots of money

[FkLA]

Mechanical...nice. I only had to take the basics of ME...THANK GOD!!!

Civil Engineering FTW TBQH.

I came really close to doing Civil. My older brothers were all crew leaders in a pretty big construction company, worked there myself a couple of Summers, and had an internship pretty much guaranteed if I went that route. I was always more of a car guy though and went with ME instead. Every once in a while I regret it and think about how cool it would've been to work with them.

Electrical courses were what I hated. Never really cared for that .

[Kawhitstorm]

. My older brothers were all crew leaders in a pretty big construction company

Hummmmmm, Mexicans working for a construction company?........I kid, I kid!

[Silver&Black]

I came really close to doing Civil. My older brothers were all crew leaders in a pretty big construction company, worked there myself a couple of Summers, and had an internship pretty much guaranteed if I went that route. I was always more of a car guy though and went with ME instead. Every once in a while I regret it and think about how cool it would've been to work with them.

Electrical courses were what I hated. Never really cared for that .

Me too. I hated everything about electricity. Thankfully I only had to learn about it in Physics II. My teacher was an Asian guy who you couldn't even understand. I swear to God...somebody would ask him to repeat himself after every sentence he spoke...which made learning electricity even more difficult.

I didn't go the construction route like your brothers. I went the traffic/transportation route in Civil Engineering. I basically do everything from designing new lanes for our interstates (what I'm doing right at this moment) to re-working intersections to optimize the traffic signal timing plans.

I'm thinking about going back and getting my Masters pretty soon though...probably specialize in concrete. I could probably double my earnings in 5 years...

[FkLA]

Me too. I hated everything about electricity. Thankfully I only had to learn about it in Physics II. My teacher was an Asian guy who you couldn't even understand. I swear to God...somebody would ask him to repeat himself after every sentence he spoke...which made learning electricity even more difficult.

I didn't go the construction route like your brothers. I went the traffic/transportation route in Civil Engineering. I basically do everything from designing new lanes for our interstates (what I'm doing right at this moment) to re-working intersections to optimize the traffic signal timing plans.

I'm thinking about going back and getting my Masters pretty soon though...probably specialize in concrete. I could probably double my earnings in 5 years...

I had electrical it in Physics II, a mandatory Circuits class and Mechatronics.

My bros aren't engineers just foremen. I say it would've been cool to work with them because from what I've seen CEs and foremen work really close together during projects. You plan on getting your Masters at Miss St? I always figured I'd be done with school after getting my bachelors but I actually wouldn't mind teaching in my 50s or 60s so I'll probably end up going back at some point too tbh.

[Dingle Barry]

If you are worried about putting in hard work than you should probably just kill yourself now because *newsflash* life is hard and will only get harder, school is ing easy, bills and a family, not so much

Real talk.

[Kawhitstorm]

Real talk.

LMAO..again the main reason I withdrew was because it didn't suit my learning style not because of work ethic (I did have a job in the "real world" & did just fine). If I had to put a number on it, medical school (the first 2 years) is basically 75% memorization/25% conceptual on the other hand I'm 75%conceptual/25% memorization. Anatomy lab was basically 99% memorizing structures, there was no way of conceptualizing the lab practical so if you forget the name of a structure you will get a no credit on the practical no matter how well you understand its function. Same w/ pharmacology/microbiology when it comes to memorizing bugs/meds. There were so many mnemonics that you would need mnemonics to remember the mnemonics (if there were any). I did fine in courses that didn't emphasize excessive memorization *physiology, bio-mechanics, Biochem) so I didn't find the material to be difficult, it was really the amount of memorization in the majority of the curriculum that just became too overwhelming.

I'm not sure what a future doctors ability to memorize a high volume of material proves in the 21st century when one could refer to a plethora of resources at the snap of a finger. There is also a reason why there are specialist & residents nowadays also look up stuff on the internet (residents actually do this nowadays).

Med school in general attract students who have a high level memorization skill but are mediocre in math/physics thus if they are seeking a high paying job/status etc...they have no other choice but to put themselves through for a minimum of 7 years. Fortunately, I happen to be an outlier thus have other career options besides medicine.

[tholdren]

OP couldn't make it in med school, quits/fails out, then blames the system. Great work ethic