Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

[ceperez]

He had a good shooting% bc he took shots that are good for him to take. He had mismatches on jump shots he took, on others he came off a screen and was wide open. His floater in the lane is a go to move that he's developing and he's good at it. He took a shot to end the quarter that was meant to run the clock. You could have had Anderson or Simms take that last shot but Anderson was in control of the game and was taking advantage off the dribble against Cousins. He hardly forced shots. Simms and Jimmer had almost back to back TO within the last 3 mins of the game, so him taking control of the game to end a quarter and close out a game in the context of this game and the line-ups was warranted. I like Simms a lot too, and he made plays for other guys that were timely and made the group more multifaceted. In fact it was Jimmer who didn't add much.

Simms and SloMo contributed a ton, just look at the stats. Their +/- were like 18 and 14. Jimmer was like -8.

Anyway, I would like him to shoot better, that's all. If he doesn't do that, then he shouldn't be on the team. I don't know how much time he's got, but Butler definitely is almost got one foot in the door.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I can see why you believe such things. But I think you're making a rush to judgement based on one game.

Reggie annoyed the out of me at the end of the game--fool acting like he's (a good) James Harden at the end of the game, dribbling the ball all over without aggression for the remaining 12 seconds. It's like pass the damn ball, . Don't even know why he was in the game; he has a zero percent shot at a roster spot.

Where you seem to have a disconnect is that no one expects williams to be good, whereas you believe Fred already is. The fact that you are comparing him to someone that definitely won't make the team should give you pause. It won't, but it should.

[Kidd K]

I'm not going to throw him totally under the bus over one game. I'll wait to see 5-6 games first. Thus far though, he wasn't impressive, no. Anderson on the other hand. . .is looking a lot better than I even hoped for. I'm quite pleased with him thus far.

He had a good shooting% bc he took shots that are good for him to take. He had mismatches on jump shots he took, on others he came off a screen and was wide open. His floater in the lane is a go to move that he's developing and he's good at it. He took a shot to end the quarter that was meant to run the clock. You could have had Anderson or Simms take that last shot but Anderson was in control of the game and was taking advantage off the dribble against Cousins. He hardly forced shots. Simms and Jimmer had almost back to back TO within the last 3 mins of the game, so him taking control of the game to end a quarter and close out a game in the context of this game and the line-ups was warranted. I like Simms a lot too, and he made plays for other guys that were timely and made the group more multifaceted. In fact it was Jimmer who didn't add much.

Good take imo. In particular noticing shots taken with the clock in mind. So many fans miss that point of fact and cry "chucker!" or "heroball!". Anderson was aggressive on stuff that he needed to be. Very impressive display of awareness.

[AFBlue]

There's no way the Spurs complete an evaluation of Jimmer after 12 minutes of the first preseason game. Their evaluation is based on much more than that. They also have a lot to see in practice and scrimmages. Nobody on the bubble has moved ahead or behind anybody. Once they have a few weeks of practice and 3 to 4 games under their belt, that's when players begin to separate themselves. Fredette, Thomas, Williams and Butler will get varying degrees of minutes and matchups through the preseason and that will help the staff to better evaluate everyone.

Stop it with your common sense reaction!

[Chinook]

Stop it with your common sense reaction!

I mean, of course Jimmer won't look that bad again. (I sincerely hope not at least.) But when people spend a month talking about Jimmer's problems and how they affect his game, and people like you dismiss it as gobbledygook, and then Jimmer goes out and fails for those exact issues, maybe you should hold back your eye-rolling. The guy we saw last game was the REAL Fredette. That's the guy who's on his fourth team in three years. That's the guy whose numbers go down the more his team passes the ball. That's the guy who couldn't even secure a guaranteed minimum deal in his prime. He'll have better days, but people are judging him off far more than 12 minutes of play time.

[BD24]

I mean, of course Jimmer won't look that bad again. (I sincerely hope not at least.) But when people spend a month talking about Jimmer's problems and how they affect his game, and people like you dismiss it as gobbledygook, and then Jimmer goes out and fails for those exact issues, maybe you should hold back your eye-rolling. The guy we saw last game was the REAL Fredette. That's the guy who's on his fourth team in three years. That's the guy whose numbers go down the more his team passes the ball. That's the guy who couldn't even secure a guaranteed minimum deal in his prime. He'll have better days, but people are judging him off far more than 12 minutes of play time.

well said

[Aztecfan03]

Who says they would sign anyone else? They'll run with 14 or 15 to start the season.

many people think they will sign Butler.

[HarlemHeat37]

I really don't understand why so many people keep analyzing Fredette like he's a rookie, though..

It's not an overreaction to 1 preseason game, man has played over 3000 NBA regular season minutes, this isn't his first taste of NBA action..

[SilverSpur]

There's a reason the Spurs bring in players like Jimmer Fredette because they see something that they can use or develope. Jimmer has been on several teams in a short period of time. The first team drafted him and the rest needed players for injury reasons or they just needed depth.
With time coach Pop the rest of the coaching staff, Manu, Parker and Mills can turn him into a very valubale player. Remember what they did with Derek Brown and Gary Neal.
My honest belief is that Manu will retire after this season and the Spurs wanted to get someone in a year early to learn the system and learn behind Manu. Everyone knows it takes a year before Coach Pop really starts playing players new to the team.
With Jimmer the payoff will come next year, just like Splitter, G Hill, Gary Neal and now Kyle Anderson.

[Spurtacular]

Where you seem to have a disconnect is that no one expects williams to be good, whereas you believe Fred already is. The fact that you are comparing him to someone that definitely won't make the team should give you pause. It won't, but it should.

I wasn't comparing the two; but that's okay.

Jimmer needs to play better going forward. At this point, he's giving a lot of credence to the naysayers.

[Spurtacular]

There's a reason the Spurs bring in players like Jimmer Fredette because they see something that they can use or develope. Jimmer has been on several teams in a short period of time. The first team drafted him and the rest needed players for injury reasons or they just needed depth.
With time coach Pop the rest of the coaching staff, Manu, Parker and Mills can turn him into a very valubale player. Remember what they did with Derek Brown and Gary Neal.
My honest belief is that Manu will retire after this season and the Spurs wanted to get someone in a year early to learn the system and learn behind Manu. Everyone knows it takes a year before Coach Pop really starts playing players new to the team.
With Jimmer the payoff will come next year, just like Splitter, G Hill, Gary Neal and now Kyle Anderson.

Interesting perspective. I tend to agree. I doubt Jimmer gets bumped for someone like Butler (at the start of the season). He needs better showings between now and January though; or that's when a Butler or someone could bump him out.

[ChumpDumper]

many people think they will sign Butler.

They've already signed Butler.

[SAGirl]

Just made no sense to guarantee him so much money on a one-year deal. He's never been a good offensive team player. He's always been a guy who needs the ball in his hands but is simultaneously not good enough with the ball in his hands to make his team better. If you're going to get a shooter, get a shooter who can get his shot off. If you're going to get an offensive player, get one who has poor offensive metrics. If you're going to give a guy a shot to turn around his career, don't guarantee half his salary.

I'm sure Jimmer will have better games this preseason. He can get hot and more aggressive. But the question isn't whether Jimmer can be serviceable if everything goes his way. It's whether he will give a higher return on investment compared to another min guy. I'm not convinced that's the case. As a guy that far down the totem pole, Jimmer's the one who has to fit what the team does. The team should not have to adjust to his style.

You got me thinking about this. I have started to think the aspect of Jimmer that most intrigued Pop and the staff is his ballhandling and creating off the dribble. They already knew he could shoot, and Chip is likely to have noticed the weird slow shot motion and his difficulties in that area. Like Bonner he can hopefully make the wiiide open shot and unlike him, maybe have the occasional hot shooting, circus shot night. But what they mentioned is that they wanted to see other things.

According to Pop he didn't even know about Simms until SL and what intrigued and impressed him the most was his passing in SL and training camp bc that is special. It's really a talent that can't be coached.

It's possible the staff just got for Pop an array of options to fill up a casualty insurance need in an additional ball handler/offensive player. Simms to me, shaky handles and all is the better option. He's not a shooter, but his size, athleticism, defensive upside and his passing make him a better option. Wing depth is a need as well, and Simms is a true wing. You can picture him fitting in and playing a role well enough with different lineups in case of injuries. Where I argue you really don't want Simms is at PG, which is basically what you would have for Jimmer, a 4th string PG push.

Butler is making a strong case for himself with hot shooting and good hustle effort. In perspective it's the last spot and together with Bonner we won't see much of said player.

[tbdog]

Was Jimmer that bad in game 1?

[Dex]

Was Jimmer that bad in game 1?

He was easily the worst player for the Spurs.

Just one game...but Butler looks like the far better option at this point.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The game looked very simple for Butler. It was so obvious he's a vet. Meanwhile, Jimmer struggled to keep up with John Stockton's unknown son.

[Nathan89]

He was easily the worst player for the Spurs.

Just one game...but Butler looks like the far better option at this point.

LMA is in that convo.

[ElNono]

It's pretty obvious why Jimmer was brought in. The Spurs went from "good" in the post with Duncan/Kawhi/Boris, to "loaded" with Duncan/LMA/Kawhi/West/Boris and potentially KA... furthermore, LMA apparently will request a good chunk of touches, so it makes sense that to accommodate that we're going to switch from a heavy motion offense to a heavy inside-out offense. To make that work, you need pure shooters. Jimmer was, at least in college, that kind of guy. Whether he still has that touch or not, will probably determine if he sticks or not. But the reasoning I think it's clear. And Pop is likely going to give him time to show what he has, because we're going to need shooters like that.

That's on offense... defensively, I'm not sure yet what they're going to do.

[ChumpDumper]

LMA is in that convo.

No, LMA definitely looked better than Jimmer.

[.G.]

jimmah

[.G.]

I kinda feel for da little neg, but after a while you realize it's probably not meant to be.

He's becoming (if not already become) what tebow is to the nfl

[Spurtacular]

LMA is in that convo.

Good point. LMA DID have the worst game. It happens.

[ChumpDumper]

Good point. LMA DID have the worst game. It happens.

Sure, they'll waive LMA to keep Jimmer.

[Spurtacular]

Sure, they'll waive LMA to keep Jimmer.

Is that what I said, or are you an ass clown?

[spurraider21]

They've already signed Butler.

you knew what he meant. whats with the ocd?