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    I think any team in the league would take any shorter contract to save $11M, at the cost of only a late 20s draft pick.. Pop showed that if it goes south, you cut the bait loose. Jack proved useful for 2 months, plus playoffs, only to be completely useless the following year. He had a history here, but Detroit or Indy could have simply cut him quicker than Pop did, like immediately, and still saved that $11M.

    You won't convince me that SA did it for any other than financial reasons. Pop, talking to Jack while rerouting him during the trade from his SFO flight to SAT flat out said "We won't be talking about an extension." Do you do that to a player that you want and value? Nope. You do it with a guy you have every intention of rolling off in a year and a half.
    You're just looking to argue rather than address my point. My point is that Jackson is a head case that defies "character guy" test that everyone haphazardly throws around here. Sure Pop has standards, but he'll bring some knuckle head if he meets a minimum test. It doesn't matter if it's for basketball or financial reasons. If it makes sense and passes Pop's standard, which is lower than most people think, he'll bring that player in. I don't know that Sanders is any more of a head case than Jackson was. I do know you are kidding yourself if you think Indiana or Detroit would ever bring Jackson back regardless of the money saved after Malice at the Palice. Their standards are higher, at least as it pertains to Jackson.

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    I haven't seen any of the Spurs preseason games yet, but it seems that people are saying Boban is fairly (or surprisingly) mobile.
    No, he's not. If he can camp in the lane, he'd be a decent rim protector purely bc of his size. But he isn't quick enough to guard anyone in space.

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    The only reasons Splitter is a center and Aldridge isn't, is because the latter can shoot and because he's one of the best players in the league, which gives him the clout to make demands. Realistically, even though his game is better suited to primarily playing power forward, if he was okay with primarily playing center, he'd have been playing it for years, since it's more difficult to find a high quality center than power forward and because it would be extremely difficult for the opposition to defend.

    When the masses were lost in the hysteria of the West signing, I immediately pointed out the fact that he and Diaw are a poor fit together, but that doesn't mean the firepower of the bench can't outdo their defensive/rebounding shortcomings. If it can't, then Aldridge would essentially have to double as the backup center, leaving spot minutes for one of Diaw/West. They probably wouldn't resort to this until the playoffs, but either way, that's the fall back, not any external option.
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    Spurs last year being one team, you ing ty poster...

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    I know a lot of you guys keep citing that recent Pop interview with Chad Hennings, but I recall that Pop was interested in Ron Artest at one point.

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    He won't be a Spur. Almost certain it'll be Dallas if anyone. Have the $ and a starting spot available.

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    I know a lot of you guys keep citing that recent Pop interview with Chad Hennings, but I recall that Pop was interested in Ron Artest at one point.

    Had a trade done but couldn't get it into the league in time. Friend of mine who used to be in the media in SA said he saw the paper on RC's desk.

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    Having Jack ultimately crash and burn turned that trade from the greatest of all time to simply the second best in franchise history. Jack was the best player on the Spurs in his last playoff series with the team.
    If Jack was still on the team, the Spurs may have beaten the Heat in 2013.

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    Having a good/bad bench certainly has an effect on the outcome of games, but bench defense in isolation, specifically, doesn't IMO, unless it's at the extreme of either good/bad..even then, the playoffs are rarely decided by the bench(Spurs lost to a Clippers team with arguably the worst bench in the NBA, for example)..

    The Spurs bench is going to struggle on defense, but they're going to be great offensively, too..that's easily sufficient for a le run, there's no question IMO..they're going to outscore the opposition on most nights..

    I agree with you that it would have been ideal to get a Splitter type, I would have preferred keeping Splitter over Boris(although Diaw probably has no value outside of SA anymore), and if not a defensive C, then at least a 3rd defensive wing(which the Spurs haven't had in this current era of Spurs basketball and still won a le/made it to 2 Finals), but you can't build a perfect team, unfortunately..

    In a perfect world, a like Larry Sanders would straighten his head and get his together, but those types of situations rarely work out..
    I guess the biggest concern then is that, since Timmy will need his rest, the team might need backup rim protection even if it's only to keep the machine running throughout the regular season. We all know rest is a priority, and I'd say HCA is 2nd priority, along with getting the team to peak timely.

    At this point I just want the season to start so we can see how the team functions and how good the bench actually is.

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    I guess the biggest concern then is that, since Timmy will need his rest, the team might need backup rim protection even if it's only to keep the machine running throughout the regular season. We all know rest is a priority, and I'd say HCA is 2nd priority, along with getting the team to peak timely.

    At this point I just want the season to start so we can see how the team functions and how good the bench actually is.
    HCA is 1st priority. If we end up with a ty seed again like last year we get the same result as last year. If we're #2 and win both our rounds and the #1 seed wins both their rounds, we'll lose to the #1 seed in the WCF. And if we somehow make it to the Finals and the Lebrons have a better record and HCA over us, the Lebrons will win ala 2013. Simple enough. Spurs are 3–0 (100%) at winning championships as the #1 overall seed, but only 2–30 (6%) all-time when we make the playoffs but don't get the #1 overall seed. Also, we win the championship 100% of the time when we reach the Finals with HCA, and 0% of the time reaching the Finals without HCA. Simply enough already?

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    HCA is 1st priority. If we end up with a ty seed again like last year we get the same result as last year. If we're #2 and win both our rounds and the #1 seed wins both their rounds, we'll lose to the #1 seed in the WCF. And if we somehow make it to the Finals and the Lebrons have a better record and HCA over us, the Lebrons will win ala 2013. Simple enough. Spurs are 3–0 (100%) at winning championships as the #1 overall seed, but only 2–30 (6%) all-time when we make the playoffs but don't get the #1 overall seed. Also, we win the championship 100% of the time when we reach the Finals with HCA, and 0% of the time reaching the Finals without HCA. Simply enough already?
    Which is why they need a good bench.. they'll have to put health first to decrease the risk of having broken down veterans, as we know.

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    Now we need a PF...


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    HCA is 1st priority. If we end up with a ty seed again like last year we get the same result as last year. If we're #2 and win both our rounds and the #1 seed wins both their rounds, we'll lose to the #1 seed in the WCF. And if we somehow make it to the Finals and the Lebrons have a better record and HCA over us, the Lebrons will win ala 2013. Simple enough. Spurs are 3–0 (100%) at winning championships as the #1 overall seed, but only 2–30 (6%) all-time when we make the playoffs but don't get the #1 overall seed. Also, we win the championship 100% of the time when we reach the Finals with HCA, and 0% of the time reaching the Finals without HCA. Simply enough already?
    We've gotta get tholdren in here to talk about these stats.

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    Which is why they need a good bench.. they'll have to put health first to decrease the risk of having broken down veterans, as we know.
    broken down veterans or no HCA, both => no championship


    We need the bench to win us a good handful of games ala 2014

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    I'd love if we could get him honestly

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    broken down veterans or no HCA, both => no championship


    We need the bench to win us a good handful of games ala 2014

    Not sure that it's just impossible with no HCA, but I agree with the idea.

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    Not sure that it's just impossible with no HCA, but I agree with the idea.
    We need HCA to win the championship, particularly in the WCF and Finals. The Warriors and OKC home stadiums are extremely hostile compared to the indifference of the crowd in the arena in Phoenix of the Nash era Suns, e.g. the only team we ever had to beat without HCA in championship years.

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    HCA is 1st priority. If we end up with a ty seed again like last year we get the same result as last year. If we're #2 and win both our rounds and the #1 seed wins both their rounds, we'll lose to the #1 seed in the WCF. And if we somehow make it to the Finals and the Lebrons have a better record and HCA over us, the Lebrons will win ala 2013. Simple enough. Spurs are 3–0 (100%) at winning championships as the #1 overall seed, but only 2–30 (6%) all-time when we make the playoffs but don't get the #1 overall seed. Also, we win the championship 100% of the time when we reach the Finals with HCA, and 0% of the time reaching the Finals without HCA. Simply enough already?
    We were the 1 seed in 11-12, and lost in the second round. If you throw out Eastern records as tainted with so many teams this millenia, and you should, we had the best in the West at least 3 other times and flamed out.

    #1 overall record means . Health means all.

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    No, he's not. If he can camp in the lane, he'd be a decent rim protector purely bc of his size. But he isn't quick enough to guard anyone in space.
    That sounds more realistic. It would be almost impossible for someone of his size to move like Larry Sanders.

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    Had a trade done but couldn't get it into the league in time. Friend of mine who used to be in the media in SA said he saw the paper on RC's desk.
    I heard about a trade, but I wasn't sure if they were just discussing one or if it was a rumor. I didn't realize that they actually filled out the papers and were going to go through with it. That was before he got traded to the Rockets, wasn't it?

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    Spurs last year being one team, you ing ty poster...
    Ya, Parker playing the worst basketball of his career, Splitter being unable to move, Green missing the shots he usually makes in the playoffs. Kawhi missing shots late in the series and Pop's questionable coaching weren't the reason the Spurs lost, it was because of their bench defense..

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    Ya, Parker playing the worst basketball of his career, Splitter being unable to move, Green missing the shots he usually makes in the playoffs. Kawhi missing shots late in the series and Pop's questionable coaching weren't the reason the Spurs lost, it was because of their bench defense..
    Are you moron or just act like that? How those reasons take away from the bad bench defense reason, you lost the series by one possession so you could have many things that are the different between win and lose, so bad bench defens when you don't have backup for splitter, when big baby ting on bynes, rivers jr on patty and etc must be assume also a reason...

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    Are you moron or just act like that? How those reasons take away from the bad bench defense reason, you lost the series by one possession so you could have many things that are the different between win and lose, so bad bench defens when you don't have backup for splitter, when big baby ting on bynes, rivers jr on patty and etc must be assume also a reason...
    Spurs could have one, ball just didn't bounce the right way. However, like Pop said, Spurs were mentally spent. I would say that even Clippers were mentally spent after that series and that's why they lost against an inferior team like the Rockets.

    NBA Western conference playoffs are grueling. You need an element of luck like the Warriors got. If the Warriors met the Spurs in the first round, you could make the argument that the Spurs could have won it all. Beating Warriors, Griz, Rockets and Cavs. Never ever meeting the team (Clippers) that knocked them off.

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    Are you moron or just act like that? How those reasons take away from the bad bench defense reason, you lost the series by one possession so you could have many things that are the different between win and lose, so bad bench defens when you don't have backup for splitter, when big baby ting on bynes, rivers jr on patty and etc must be assume also a reason...
    Spurs bench outscored the Clippers bench by like 40 points in the series..the bench wasn't even one of the top 5 reasons the Spurs lost the series..shut your ass up and stop trying to be edgy, tbh, I get it, you've been quoting all my posts since I sent you those PMs..

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