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Yeah this new technology can basically turn the US aircraft carriers into giant floating bathtubs.
No wonder China is building up in the south china sea
Yeah, there was a thread here about that at the time.
“The US destroyer USS Donald Cook, equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles entered the neutral waters of the Black Sea on April 10, 2014. The purpose was a demonstration of force and intimidation in connection with the position of Russia in Ukraine and Crimea. The appearance of American warships in these waters is in contradiction of the Montreux Convention about the nature and duration of stay in the Black Sea by the military ships of countries not washed by this sea. In response, Russia sent an unarmed bomber Su- 24 to fly around the U.S. destroyer. However, experts say that this plane was equipped with the latest Russian electronic warfare complex. According to this version, Aegis spotted from afar the approaching aircraft, and sounded alarm. Everything went normally, and the American radars calculated the speed of the approaching target. But suddenly all the screens went blank. Aegis was not working any more, and the rockets could not get target information. Meanwhile, Su-24 flew over the deck of the destroyer, did battle turn and simulated a missile attack on the target. Then it turned and repeated the maneuver. And did so 12 times.”
It was a very pointed demonstration of US EW weakness, that the pentagon has, more than likely, taken very seriously.
Last edited by RandomGuy; 10-22-2015 at 11:28 AM. Reason: more accurate. tried to find follow up on it unsucessfully
Yeah this new technology can basically turn the US aircraft carriers into giant floating bathtubs.
No wonder China is building up in the south china sea
Nope.
This is not what the UN concluded at all. 2013 gas used in a Damascus suburb by the Syrians.
I guess the UN made up stuff about barrel bombs as well.
This obvious misrepresent of facts as we know them continues.
Amazing how many times people can poop out crap in a day.
Link? All the do entation and UN interviews I seen is that Assad did not use chems but rebels did.
Jordan just joined Russia's team. That makes Iran, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan all working together with Russia.
Good news for us bad news for jihadists around the world
Wiki Syrian use of chemical weapons
and tons of other places...
(sighs)
Um, you do know that for "the technology" to be deployed takes aircraft to get close, right? Kinda hard to sneak up on an aircraft carrier in an aircraft.
I'm sure what you meant to say, was something about your concern about the long-range Dong-Feng carrier buster missiles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-s...listic_missile
http://www.un.org/disarmament/conten...estigation.pdf
Rebels don't generally have access to surface to surface missiles with nerve agent.
Now you have seen indications that the Syrian military, which has access and training with both nerve agent and surface to surface missiles were responsible. If you aren't too lazy to read the linked report, that is.
Its all over. And he asks for a link...
He reads what he wants to satisfy HIS needs.
Real world stuff can be disappointing if you have an agenda to fulfill.
>implying the Saudis couldn't have given it to them
>implying the Turks couldn't have
>implying the us couldn't have
>implying they couldn't have taken control of a government weapons storage site
nice try, but Syria had nothing to gain and everything to lose by using chemical weapons. It's just giving the usa the excuse they need. Chemical weapons aren't even very effective or wed have seen them in ww2.
for some reason he shares his dispatches from the front lines on SpursTalk
So much stupid... so little time.
Occams razor is a for stupid conspiracy theories.
You can rule out ed "secret smuggled surface to surface nerve agent missiles", just because they require so many more assumptions, that it becomes untenable, just like "faked moon landing" theories.
As for "taking control" of a military chemical weapons site, you would have to produce some evidence at the least to even start down that road, and then say it is plausible that the Assad regime would allow what is normally extremely well-guarded weapons to fall into the hands of his enemies, and that a bunch of apple-pickers could figure out how to use a complicated weapon system, which beggars belief.
Lastly chemical weapons were used in WW2.
The Syrian military had the capabilities and weapons. The only thing one needs to assume about who did it, is that there is some dumb/evil that might authorize the use of them, and given their already demonstrated willingness to shoot unarmed demonstrators, that isn't much of a stretch.
America rattling sabers about Russian subs (6" or 12" versions?) snooping around undersea comms cables.
Not surprising as so many countries have a stake, from Viet Nam to the Phillipines.
The US is the only country that can project this type of power for sustained periods. Japan can monitor their little spat and help. This move by China will require negotiations. China spent a lot of money and have a lot at stake in this areaEspecially considering China's economic situation.
"vietnam commies, werent afraid to go war against america"
typical rightwingnut IGNORANCE.
North VN were fighting South VN, and then the Americans got quagmired to support their corrupt S. VN puppet, so N VN had to fight USA, too. And they won.
The last thing the N VN wanted was the Chinese, "chi com", taking over their country.
This was indeed part of the downfall of the heralded dominoe theory held by conservatives that did not recognize nationalism. East Germany on the other hand walked pretty much lock step with the Soviet Union.
In an interesting update, the US has also sent ships close to Vietnamese and Phillipine claimed Islands to further demonstrate the value of the UN 12 mile nautical rule. Meanwhile the Chinese president claims:
Xi surprised U.S. officials after a meeting with Obama in Washington last month by saying that China had "no intention to militarize" the islands.
Which I really don't get as they know we see air strips and other military structures on these Islands that were below high tide level until the Chinese dredging and build up. We are not the only country that makes diplomatic gaffes. So their military warns us, and their president says the islands do not have a military purpose. I guess mixed messages are designed to confuse.
There is way too much commerce moving through this area for military vessels to whimsically block commercial flow of goods. The oil in the area that might be exploited later should also be interesting. Negotiations will be necessary.
Barry and Putin teaming up to slam ISIS?
Is there any chance that could happen?
It would seem the two forces combined could wipe ISIS ass out.
Force Saudi Scamradia to help?
I'm just sayin....
what has TMZ been saying?
They've probably had your two favorite guys from Modern Family on.
If only Trump were President, our military would be SO STRONG that CHIIINA wouldn't dare with us...Angry China shadows U.S. warship near man-made islands
A U.S. guided-missile destroyer sailed close to one of China's man-made islands in the South China Sea on Tuesday, drawing an angry rebuke from Beijing, which said it had tracked and warned the ship and called in the U.S. ambassador to protest.
The USS Lassen's patrol was the most significant U.S. challenge yet to the 12-nautical-mile territorial limits China claims around artificial islands it has built up in the Spratly archipelago as Beijing exercises its growing maritime power.
Washington's move followed months of deliberation by the administration of President Barack Obama and could ratchet up tension in one of the world's busiest shipping lanes and increase strains in U.S.-China relations.
A U.S. defense official said the Lassen also went within 12-mile limits of features in the disputed sea claimed by Vietnam and U.S. treaty ally, the Philippines. They said such "freedom-of-navigation" patrols were expected to become more frequent.
The U.S. destroyer sailed within 12 nautical miles of Subi Reef, an artificial island built up by China in the past year.
A Chinese guided-missile destroyer and a naval patrol ship shadowed and gave warnings to the U.S. warship "according to law", China's Defense Ministry said. It said the military would take necessary steps to protect the country's security.
The U.S. patrol was a "coercive action that seeks to militarize the South China Sea region" and an "abuse" of freedom of navigation under international law, it added.
U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter on Tuesday confirmed the patrol. Carter, testifying to the Senate Armed Services Committee, initially would only say the U.S. Navy had conducted operations in the South China Sea. But under questioning from lawmakers, he confirmed that the USS Lassen had passed within 12 miles of a Chinese artificial island.
China's Vice Foreign Minister Zhang Yesui summoned U.S. Ambassador Max Baucus, telling him that the patrol was "extremely irresponsible," the Foreign Ministry said. It earlier said the USS Lassen "illegally" entered waters near islands and reefs in the Spratlys without the Chinese government's permission.
"China will resolutely respond to any country's deliberate provocations," the ministry said in a statement that gave no details on precisely where the U.S. ship sailed.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang later told a daily briefing that if the United States continued to "create tensions in the region," China might conclude it had to "increase and strengthen the building up of our relevant abilities".
Lu did not elaborate, except to say he hoped it did not come to that, but his comments suggested China could further boost its military presence in the South China Sea.
(sigh)
You do know Vietnam fought a war with China, right?
Did the destroyer run away in fear?
Trump is a bunch of hot air. His "Art of the Deal" diplomacy would be hilarious.
this is bull . According to Seymour Hersh and MIT scientists:
“Theodore Postol, a professor of technology and national security at MIT, reviewed the UN photos with a group of his colleagues and concluded that the large calibre rocket was an improvised munition that was very likely manufactured locally. He told me that it was ‘something you could produce in a modestly-capable machine shop.’ The rocket in the photos, he added, fails to match the specifications of a similar but smaller rocket known to be in the Syrian arsenal.”
There is no such indications. Unless you believe in the Easter bunny. It has not been proven that the ones to use the chems are the Syrian government. on the contrary all evidence points that the Rebels used the chemical weapons:Now you have seen indications that the Syrian military, which has access and training with both nerve agent and surface to surface missiles were responsible. If you aren't too lazy to read the linked report, that is.
“already by late May, the senior (US) intelligence consultant told me, the CIA had briefed the Obama administration on al-Nusra and its work with sarin, and had sent alarming reports that another Sunni fundamentalist group active in Syria, al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI), also understood the science of producing sarin. At the time, al-Nusra was operating in areas close to Damascus, including Eastern Ghouta. An intelligence do ent issued in mid-summer dealt extensively with Ziyaad Tarriq Ahmed, a chemical weapons expert formerly of the Iraqi military, who was said to have moved into Syria and to be operating in Eastern Ghouta. The consultant told me that Tariq had been identified ‘as an al-Nusra guy with a track record of making mus gas in Iraq and someone who is implicated in making and using sarin.’ He is regarded as a high-profile target by the American
military.”
Sorry but either you are completely wrong or you are lying or both. Syrian government did NOT use chemical weapons. It was most likely the rebels.
LMFAO a typical women's school in Obama's "Free Syria":
our US military helping these guys
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