3rd GOP Debate on CNBC

[rmt]

all peas in an extreme right wing pod. The differences are so small, if any, you won't list them.

Kaisch is about as extreme right as Hillary is extreme left (that is if she lines up with Bill - she's just saying all this stuff to out-do Bernie). Probably why Obama doesn't like the Clintons - too moderate/center for him.

Trump is also not extreme right. At one time, he was for single payor. But then both Obama and Hillary used to believe that marriage should be between one man and one woman - so who knows. I think Trump says that if there's a nuclear threat, he'd invade Iran and take their oil to pay for the war or something to that effect. Both sides pander to their extreme in order to get the nomination. When they're in office, they'll all move more toward the center - have to because of the constraints of the Cons ution/Congress/SC - this is all assuming that they follow the cons ution and not try to rule by fiat and executive order as Obama does.

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Make the wingnuts answer these: The eight questions debate moderators must ask the Republicans next

Do you think we should raise the federal minimum wage to $12.50 an hour by 2020?Yes or no?

Do you support lifting the income cap on Social Security to require higher-income workers to pay Social Security taxes on all of their wages? Yes or no?

Do you should that the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling — that donations by individuals, corporations, and other groups to political candidates is a form of free speech protected by the First Amendment – should be overturned? Yes or no?

Do you think we should raise taxes on people earning more than $1 million a year? Yes or no?

Do you think that all workers should earn paid sick days so working Americans can care for themselves and family members? Yes or no?

Do you think we should restore the Glass-Steagall Act limits on commercial banks playing the market with their depositors’ funds? Yes or no?

Do you support the continued existence of and full funding for the Consumer Financial Protection Agency? Yes or no?

Do you favor making tuition free for college students? Yes or no?

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/02/make...ublicans_next/

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Media Mock The GOP's "Ridiculous Manifesto" Of Presidential Debate Demands

On Monday, Republican operative Ben Ginsberg drafted a letter for the various networks hosting future debates. In the letter, the RNC made the following demands (per Mediaite):

-Will you commit that you will not:

1) Ask the candidate to raise their hands to answer a question
2) Ask yes/no questions without time to provide a substantive answer
3) Allow candidate-to-candidate questioning
4) Allow props or pledges by the candidates
5) Have reaction shots of members of the audience or moderators during debates
6) Show an empty podium after a break (describe how far away the bathrooms are)
7) Use behind shots of the candidates showing their notes
8) Leave microphones on during the breaks
9) Allow members of the audience to wear political messages (shirts, buttons, signs, etc.). Who enforces?

-What instructions will you provide the audience about cheering during the debate?

-What are your plans for the lead-in to the debate (Pre-shot video? Announcer to moderator? Director to Moderator?) and how long is it?

-Can you pledge that the temperature in the hall be kept below 67 degrees?

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...-of-pre/206583

typical less Repugs and conservatives, lying and bullying are their main tools.

All of these are immediately implementable, but Repugs say they won't bully Fox to implement since "there's not enough time".

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A former Republican congressman bemoans his sorry candidates

Me: “So what do really you think of these candidates?”

Him: “You want my unvarnished opinion?”

Me: “Please. That’s why I called.”

Him: “They’re all nuts.”

Me: “Seriously. What do you really think of them?”

Him: “I just told you. They’re bonkers. Bizarre. They’re like a Star Wars bar room.”

Me: “How did it happen? How did your party manage to come up with this collection?”

Him: “We didn’t. They came up with themselves. There’s no party any more. It’s chaos. Anybody can just decide they want to be the Republican nominee, and make a run for it. Carson? Trump? They’re in the lead and they’re both out of their f*cking minds.”

Me: “That’s not reassuring.”

Him: “It’s a disaster. I’m telling you, if either of them is elected, this country is going to . The rest of them aren’t much better. I mean, Carly Fiorina? Really? Rubio? Please. Ted Cruz? Oh my god. And the people we thought had it sewn up, who are halfway sane – Bush and Christie – they’re sounding almost as batty as the rest.”

Me: “Who’s to blame for this mess?”

Him: “Roger Ailes, David and Charles Koch, Rupert Murdoch, Rush Limbaugh. I could go on. They’ve poisoned the American mind and destroyed the Republican Party.

Me: “Nice talking with you.”

Him: “Sleep well.”

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/07/robe..._seem_partner/

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cat fight!

Carly Fiorina confronts the women of “The View”: “I have a real thick skin”

The GOP presidential hopeful's appearance comes after the show made a crack at her appearance

Carly Fiorina took on the ladies of “The View” for her much-anticipated face-off today after a mini-controversy erupted last week when co-host Mic e Collins joked that the Republican presidential candidate’s face looked “demented.”


Off the bat, co-host Whoppi Goldberg offered to cut the tension, asking Fiorina “we know you took issue with something we said last week – what’s happening girl?”
“We saw that you were a little upset with us about a comic comment that was made, so how will you… get a thicker skin to accept some of the humorous things that will be said about you?” Goldberg asked Fiorina, who has made the media rounds lashing out against the co-hosts’ mocking of her appearance during the CNBC debate.

Explaining that she has “been called bimbo” throughout her career, Fiorina got snarky. “If you meant [the] comment about my face being demented as a Halloween mask as humor, so be it.”

“I have a real thick skin,” Fiorina insisted before co-host Joy Behar interjected, pushing-back that she has been an equal opportunity offender.

“You know what Joy, you can say whatever you want. I’m not going to stop that,” Fiorina snapped back. “And don’t worry, I have skin plenty thick enough to take whatever people throw at me. I think there are real issues in this nation that we ought to able to discuss in a fact-based [conversation].”

“How will you get a thicker skin?” Goldberg pressed.

Paula Faris pressed further: “You’re clearly trying to make lemonade out of lemons, aren’t you?”

“Oh, so you are telling me you guys are lemons?” Fiorina quickly quipped back.

For the rest of the interview Fiorina refused to budge, pushing back against the co-hosts by complaining that “conservative women are held to a different standard than liberal women.”

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/06/carl...al_thick_skin/


?conservative women are held to a different standard than liberal women.”

It's AUTOMATIC: BLAME THE LIBRUL MEDIA!

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Fair and Balanced, OTOH, etc, etc.

NY Times Stretches To Turn GOP Candidate Lies Into "Bipartisan" Problem

In a story discussing how the truth is "starting to look deeply out of fashion" during the 2016 presidential campaign, The New York Times bent over backwards to create the impression of a "bipartisan" trend by equating unambiguous falsehoods from several Republican candidates with incomplete retellings of stories about Hillary Clinton and false statements made by Democratic candidates decades ago.

the paper claimed that "the tendency to bend facts is bipartisan."

As evidence, the Times cited falsehoods told by presidential candidates Bill Clinton, Gary Hart, and Joe Biden more than two decades ago.

The stories the Times cited as evidence of current falsehoods from a Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, are specious examples and simply not on par with what they detailed about the Republicans.

First the paper reported that "Hillary Rodham Clinton has said that all of her grandparents were immigrants, even though her paternal grandmother was born in Pennsylvania."

The two examples are very different from the straight-out falsehoods being used by the Republican campaigns. And the concession from the Clinton campaign is very different from the Fiorina campaign's response to disparities in her past statements about Hewlett-Packard, in which the Times noted "Mrs. Fiorina's campaign aides seemed unperturbed by the discrepancies and declined to make the candidate available for comment."

Rather than report on the phenomenon of falsehoods from Republican candidates and how those campaigns are responding to reporting and fact checking of those stories, the Times instead chose to create a false equivalence and pretend that the problem is "bipartisan."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/11/08/ny-times-stretches-to-turn-gop-candidate-lies-i/206702

[spurraider21]

booboo with 40 posts in this thread, none of them are his own thoughts

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booboo with 40 posts in this thread, none of them are his own thoughts

which is another original thought from spurraider

[spurraider21]

at least i dont have to post a third party article to articulate a point

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at least i dont have to post a third party article to articulate a point

you don't have a point, less

[ElNono]

Good read, IMO

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...its-gpo-213326

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Good read, IMO

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...its-gpo-213326

"refusing to grapple with the issue of race" immigration, racism, war mongering, abortion, LGBT, Christian persecution, won't ever be "grappled" with, those are Repug campaigning tricks only to sucker in you stupid, ignorant rightwingnuts.

eg, Ryan just said he will NEVER work on immigration because Obama is not trustworthy.

"Sanford and Graham ... I thought they were principled men"

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Here are 13 things everyone would know if we really had a ‘liberal’ media

1. Where the jobs went.

Outsourcing (or offshoring) is a bigger contributor to unemployment in the U.S. than laziness.

Since 2000, U.S. multinationals have cut 2.9 million jobs here while increasing employment overseas by 2.4 million. This is likely just the tip of the iceberg as multinational corporations account for only about 20 percent of the labor force.

When was the last time you saw a front-page headline about outsourcing?

2. Upward wealth redistribution and/or inequality.

In 2010, 20 percent of the people held approximately 88 percent of the net worth in the U.S. The top 1 percent alone held 35 percent of all net worth.

The bottom 80 percent of people held only 12 percent of net worth in 2010. In 1983, the bottom 80 percent held 18 percent of net worth.

These statistics are not Democrat or Republican. They are widely available to reporters.

Why aren’t they discussed in the “liberal” media?

3. ALEC.

If there were a corporate organization that drafted laws and then passed them on to state legislators to implement, wouldn’t you think the “liberal” media would report on them?

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is such an organization.

Need legislation drafted? No need to go through a lobbyist to reach state legislatures anymore. Just contact ALEC. Among other things, ALEC is responsible for:

• Stand Your Ground laws
• Voter ID laws
• Right to Work laws
• Privatizing schools
• Health savings account bills, which benefit health care companies
• Tobacco industry legislation

Many legislators don’t even change the proposals handed to them by this group of corporations. They simply take the corporate bills and bring them to the floor.

This is the primary reason for so much similar bad legislation in different states.

o … “liberal media” … over here!!!

They’re meeting in Chicago this weekend. Maybe the “liberal media” will send some reporters.

4. The number of people in prison.

Which country in the world has the most people in prison?

You might think it would be China (with 1 billion-plus people and a restrictive government) or former Soviets still imprisoned in Russia.

Wrong.

The U.S. has the most people in prison by far of any country in the world. With 5 percent of the world’s population, we have 25 percent of the world’s prisoners—2.3 million criminals. China with a population four times ours is second with 1.6 million people in prison.

In 1972, 350,000 Americans were imprisoned. By 2010, this number had grown to 2.3 million. Yet from 1988-2008, crime rates declined by 25 percent.

Isn’t anyone in the liberal media interested in why so many people are in prison when crime has dropped? WTF “liberal media”?

5. The number of black people in prison.

In 2009, non-Hispanic blacks, while only 13.6 percent of the American population,accounted for 39.4 percent of the total prison and jail population.

In 2011, according to FBI statistics, whites accounted for 69.2 percent of arrests.

Numbers like these suggest a racial bias in our criminal justice system.

To me, this is a much bigger story than any single case like Travyon Martin’s. Or, at the very least, why didn’t the “liberal media” ever mention this while covering the Martin story?

6. U.S. health care costs are the highest in the world.

The expenditure per person in the U.S. is $8,233. Norway is second with $5,388.

Total amount of GDP spent on health care is also the highest of any country in the world at 17.6 percent. The next closest country is the Netherlands at 12 percent.

As a liberal, I’d like to ask why the market isn’t bringing down costs.

I’d think a “liberal media” might too.

7. Glass-Steagall.

The Glass-Steagall Act separated risky financial investments from government-backed deposits for 66 years.

The idea is simple. Banks were prohibited from using your federally insured savings to make risky investments.

Why is this a good idea?

Risky investments should be risky. If banks can use federally insured funds, there is no risk to them. If they win, they win. If they lose, you lose

8. Gerrymandering.

When was the last time you saw a front page headline about gerrymandering?

Before the 2010 election, conservatives launched a plan to win control of state legislatures before the census. The idea was to be in power when national congressional districts were redrawn in order to fix them so Republicans would win a majority of districts.

The Redistricting Majority Project was hugely successful. In 2012, Barack Obama was elected president by nearly 3.5 million votes. In Congressional races, Democrats drew nearly 1.4 million more votes than Republicans yet Republicans won control of the House 234 seats to 201 seats.

How is this possible?

By pumping $30 million into state races in 2010 to win the legislatures, Republicans redrew state maps in Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Texas, Florida and Ohio to place all of the Democrats into just a few districts.

In this manner, Democrats win heavily in a couple districts and lose the rest.

In North Carolina, the statewide vote was 51 percent Democrat and 49 percent Republican yet nine Republicans won and only four Democrats.

Where is your coverage of this vote stealing, “liberal media”?

You’re willing to cover voter ID laws, why can’t you cover real-vote stealing?

9. The number of bills blocked by Republicans in Congress.

The filibuster has been used a record number of times since Obama was elected. From 2008-2012, 375 bills weren’t even allowed to come to a vote in the Senate because Republicans used filibuster (by which a bill dies if he can’t get the support of 60 senators).

During the first six months of 2013, Congress has passed just 15 bills that were signed into law. This is eight fewer than in the first six months of 2012 and 19 fewer than in those of 2011.

Also, until the Senate recently threatened to reform the filibuster, the GOP had succeeded in holding up 79 of President Obama’s picks to the U.S. Circuit Court and Courts of Appeal. They’re blocking these appointments regardless of qualification.

Where’s the coverage? Where are the reporters asking why nothing is getting done?

*crickets*

10. The Citizens United Supreme Court decision

In a 2011 Hart poll, only 22 percent of those polled had actually heard of the Citizens United decision before taking the survey.

If 77 percent believe that corporations have more control over our political process than people, why isn’t the liberal media talking more about the Citizens’ Uniteddecision?

11. Tax cuts primarily benefit the wealthy.

A progressive tax program is designed to tax people very little as they are starting out and progressively increase their rates as they do better.

Republican plans seem designed to do exactly the opposite: shift the tax burden off of the wealthy and onto working people.

Take the estate tax. In Ohio, this was recently repealed by Republicans. The benefit is only realized by people with estates larger than $338,000 (as the first $338,000 was exempt) and realized most by people with even wealthier estates.

This also explains why Republicans want to shift the system from income taxes to consumption taxes. Consumption taxes are paid most by those at the bottom as basic consumption remains the same regardless of income.

It also explains why capital gain taxes are so low. Income through capital gains is only taxed at 20 percent (increased from 15 percent in 2012) instead of at the rate of other income (closer to 35 percent).
It also explains why Republicans were Click here for more details. The payroll tax cut benefited people who were getting paid, not those issuing the paychecks. How much fight did you see to save this tax cut? None.

While tax cuts are sold to us as benefiting everyone, they really benefit a select few at the very top. If everyone knew who tax cuts really benefit, would so many people vote for them?

12. The impact of temporary workers.

The number of temporary workers has grown by more than 50 percent since the recession ended to nearly 2.7 million.

If freelancers, contract workers, and consultants are included, the number is nearly 17 million workers not directly employed by the companies who hire them. This equals 12 percent of the workforce.

What’s the impact of a “just in time” workforce on workers and our economy? How about that for a story “liberal media”?

13. Media consolidation

Six corporations—Time Warner, Disney, News Corporation, Viacom, Comcast, and CBS—control roughly 90 percent of the media in the U.S. These companies are in business to make a profit.

This is why you’ll find plenty of advertisements in the media. Entertainment? Check. Sports? Definitely. Weather? Yep.

You’ll also find plenty of “if it bleeds, it leads” stories designed to hook you in.

There’s also plenty of political bickering: Democrats said this, Republicans said that. We let you decide (but we never weigh in with any facts or fact-checking).

What won’t you hear?

You won’t hear the “liberal media” discuss the corporate media.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/here...liberal-media/

[TheGreatYacht]

Lmao there was a debate today? Fox business

Repugs

[TheGreatYacht]

Rubio seems like the only candidate that doesn't suffer from Aspergers

[rmt]

Rubio seems like the only candidate that doesn't suffer from Aspergers

Rubio is gonna be THE establishment candidate. He's got 4 young kids who are in private schools and who have to be put through college - to me, the most susceptible (on stage) to big donor influence because he doesn't have any money. Even Jeb - at least comes from money and his children are grown/independent. Kaisch is the most RINO, like a democrat (policy-wise). Not worried about Jeb or Kaisch - neither can win. When they both drop out, their money will go to Rubio.

I still hope for a Trump/Carson ticket. Trump because of the business/job experience and ability to get the independents, moderate/disenchanted democrats and Carson to get the evangelical vote. Both - the least likely to be corrupted by big donors - Trump's got his billions and Carson already at the top of his field.

[hater]

Lmao there was a debate today? Fox business

Repugs

Was forced to watch that . Trump barely said a couple words but was solid as usual.

Rubio steady as well. Rand Paul kicked ass all over d place. His best debate.

Jeb he's a complete loser

[TheGreatYacht]

Was forced to watch that . Trump barely said a couple words but was solid as usual.

Rubio steady as well. Rand Paul kicked ass all over d place. His best debate.

Jeb he's a complete loser

Only saw about 30 minutes, but Jeb has nowhere to go but up

When is Trump going to after Carson? Tbh. He's the only man in his way but he seems scared of him. He already jobbed out and did a Hotline Bling sketch, said Kanye can be his VP, is he trying to pander to a certain demographic?

[hater]

Trump is a bad ass and a genius. He basically won the debate by saying the least. he knows CNN is already doing the job for him by destroying Dr Huxtable

Can't say enough about Rand Paul. Dude hit it out of the park. If his poll #s don't shoot right up, then nothing else he does will help.

[rmt]

Trump is a bad ass and a genius. He basically won the debate by saying the least. he knows CNN is already doing the job for him by destroying Dr Huxtable

Can't say enough about Rand Paul. Dude hit it out of the park. If his poll #s don't shoot right up, then nothing else he does will help.

Politico has had to backtrack on its lies. Nothing has been found on Carson. Almost everything has been vindicated including Yale classmate backing him up, newspaper article refuting accusation, etc. It's amazing that MSM prints all this stuff and then when it's refuted, they don't retract/they just forget it and leave the misconceptions out there. All the media attention hasn't affected his poll #s and has just added to his small donations - $3.5 million last week

Rand Paul should have pounded Rubio more on the child credit and trillion dollars. This is a repub debate - going up against military spending/isolationist stuff is not gonna help his poll numbers with repubs.

Trump made some mistakes but nothing seems to hurt him. He said that China is in the TPP and it isn't and he drew some boos for saying Fiorini is always interrupting.

Kaisch sounded like he was at a democratic debate.

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apart from the Politico screwup, what other Carson self-aggrandizing, God-given fantasies have been proven true?

bear whispering?

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10 Distortions, Misrepresentations and Outright Lies in the 4th GOP Debate

1. Eliminating The Income Tax Would Stop Outsourcing: Former Governor Mike Huckabee criticized outsourcing practices that have eliminated much of America's industrial base. But his solution was bizarre; he promoted the FairTax, which would eliminate the income tax and place a large sales tax on all sales. The number one reason companies outsource is for wage costs [3], not taxes – and it's unclear why Huckabee thinks ing the costs of all purchases, which is what a national sales tax would do, would impact their behavior.

2. Claiming Fantasy Tax Rates: Governor Chris Christie claimed that the Democrats plan to raise tax rates to 70 to 80 percent – something no one running on the presidential ticket or in Congress has proposed.

3. Saying We Don't Give People Reason To Marry: Rick Santorum said we have incentivized people to “cohabitate” and not get married. In reality, there are between several hundred to over a thousand [4], depending on how you count, of legal rights and even some tax incentives you have for being married.

4. Obscuring Louisiana's High Unemployment: Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal says there are a record number of Louisianans working. This is technically true, however it obscures the fact that while the largest number of Louisianans [5] are working than ever before, that's largely a function of changing population; the unemployment rate is still higher than the national one [6], and persistently higher than where it was pre-recession [7].

5. Claiming Only America Is Dealing With Syrian Refugees: Huckabee claimed that only America is being asked to deal with the refugee issue – ignoring the millions of refugees [8] in countries neighboring Syria and hundreds of thousands in Europe.

( AMERICA CREATED the refugees )

6. Naming “Islamic Terrorism” As The Nation's Top Threat: Jeb Bush named Muslim terrorists as our biggest challenge, but terrorism kills very few Americans—dog bites are a bigger threat [9].

( the top threats are Repugs / VRWC / 1% / Christian Sharia / MIC / BigCorp )

7. Claiming Christians Are Beheaded...In Lebanon?: Bush also claimed that Christians are being beheaded in Lebanon. Lebanon is actually one of the countries in the region where Christians are best integrated into society and government [10].

8. Flip Flopping On The Minimum Wage: In a move that moderators failed to call him on, Ben Carson said he is opposed [11] to raising the minimum wage – saying it would harm workers (which is false). But Carson has supported raising the wage [12] for months; it appears he decided to change his mind and pretend he never supported doing so.

9. Telling People The TPP Includes China: Donald Trump said that the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) was designed to have “China come through the back door” – but China isn't even part [13] of the TPP, as even Rand Paul seemed to know.

10. Inflating The Number Of Much-Maligned Philosophy Majors: Senator Marco Rubio implied that we have a problem of too many kids studying philosophy and not enough studying welding. As The Atlantic's David Graham noted [14], there are “23,210 philosophers[15] in the U.S. And 357,400 welders [16].”

http://www.alternet.org/election-201...ter1045597&t=2

btw, I heard on NPR that USA is missing 600K welders (even after the deployment of 1000s of much-feared robotic welders).

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From: Press Credentials

Good afternoon,

If you are receiving this email we were unable to grant you a credential to cover the debate in Milwaukee on Tuesday, November 10th.

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Thank you.
GOP.com

Dear GOP.com,

Your candidates are all mental incompetents, and the world would be a safer place if they were to fall down a cobalt mine and cannibalize one another.

Also, the race you're conducting this cycle to choose a party nominee is a train wreck unparalleled in the annals of modern democracy. There will be people laughing at your debate tonight in places like Belarus.

However, thank you for processing my request for a credential.

Sincerely,
Matt Taibbi
Rolling Stone Magazine

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...#ixzz3rCqOMArS

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23 WTF Moments From the Fox Business GOP Debate

"I'll tell you about Wall Street — there's too much greed!" said John Kasich, former Lehman Brothers executive

1. "Welders make more money than philosophers. We need more welders than philosophers." -Marco Rubio on vocational education

2. "I don't have to hear from this man." -Donald Trump on John Kasich

3. "You should let Jeb speak." - Donald Trump to John Kasich

4. "Thank you, Donald, for letting me speak at the debate. That's really nice of you. What a generous man you are." -Jeb Bush to Donald Trump

5. "It took the telephone 75 years to reach 100 million users. It took Candy Crush one year to reach 100 million users." -Marco Rubio

6. "My mom is here, so I don't think we should be pushing any grannies off any cliffs." -Ted Cruz on Medicare

7. "The secret sauce of America is innovation and entrepreneurship." -Carly Fiorina

8. "There are more words in the IRS code than in the Bible." -Ted Cruz

9. "Five major agencies I would eliminate: the IRS, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Energy, uh, the Department of Commerce and HUD." -Ted Cruz

10. "Hey Gerard, we might want to point out that China is not part of this deal." -Rand Paul to moderator Gerard Baker, after Donald Trump's China-heavy answer on the Trans Pacific Partnership

11. "In order to make them look like losers, we have to destroy their caliphate." -Ben Carson on ISIS

12. "They blew up — hold it — they blew up — wait a minute — they blew up a Russian airplane." -Donald Trump fending off an interruption from Jeb Bush

13. "We shoulda given the oil, we shoulda given big chunks to the people that lost their arms, their legs, and their families and their sons and daughters." -Donald Trump on wounded warriors

14. "That's like playing Monopoly or something — that's not how the real world works." -Bush responding to Donald Trump's foreign policy plans

15. "I got to know him very well because we were both on 60 Minutes. We were stablemates, we did well that night." -Donald Trump on appearing on TV with Vladimir Putin. (They were on the same episode, just different continents.)

16. "I have met him as well — not in a green room for a show, but in a private meeting." -Carly Fiorina on meeting Putin, not in a green room for a show — a green room for a speaking engagement.

17. "I've never met Vladimir Putin, but I know enough to know he is a gangster. He is basically an organized crime figure." -Marco Rubio

18. "Why does she keep interrupting everyone?" - Donald Trump on Carly Fiorina

19. "We shouldn't have another financial crisis." - Jeb Bush

20. "I was in Washington, Iowa, about three months ago, talking about how bad Washington, D.C., is — it was, get the, kind of the… anyway." - Jeb Bush attempting, and abandoning, a joke

21. "I'll tell you about Wall Street — there's too much greed!" - John Kasich, former Lehman Brothers executive

22. "This is how socialism starts, ladies and gentlemen." -Carly Fiorina on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

23. "Dwight Eisenhower moved a million and a half illegal immigrants out of this country." -Donald Trump, on a program that was called "Operation "

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/23-wtf-moments-from-the-fox-business-gop-debate-20151110?utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=daily&u tm_campaign=111115_16&utm_medium=email

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