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    Trump Tries To Walk Back Comments On Registering All Muslims In A Database


    On Friday afternoon, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump appeared to partially walk back comments he had made earlier saying all American Muslims would “have to be” required to to register in a database.

    On Twitter, he said the idea didn’t originate with him. “I didn’t suggest a database-a reporter did,” he tweeted. “We must defeat Islamic terrorism & have surveillance, including a watch list, to protect America.” He has yet to state clearly that he is opposed to the idea of a registry, however.

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...slim-registry/

    watch list of what? 6M Muslims in USA? can't do that on pencil paper,need a database. Donny T could probably make a few $M with patches for Muslims


    with "Trump for President" across the bottom.


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    And exactly where will the data out of Syria come from that will satisfy our much more stringent requirements?



    Finding 2: While America has a proud tradition of refugee resettlement, the United Stateslacks the information needed to confidently screen refugees from the Syria conflict zone toidentify possible terrorism connections.FBI Director James Comey on the challenges of screening Syrian refugees: “We canquery our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up because wehave no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”
    • Top U.S. counterterrorism officials have been warning for months that the intelligence on theground in Syria is insufficient to thoroughly vet individuals traveling to the United States fromthe conflict zone. It is difficult both to confirm that Syrian asylum-seekers are who they claim tobe and to determine they do not have ties to terrorist groups.
    • Recently, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services official Matthew Emrich disclosed that thegovernment does not have access to any database in Syria that can be used to check thebackgrounds of incoming refugees against criminal and terrorist records.17 Nevertheless, it wasrevealed that over 90% of Syrian refugee applicants get approved, despite intelligence gapsand absent the ability to thoroughly check for security risks.18
    • According to former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes, “Our human sources [in Syria] areminimal, and we don’t have a government we can partner with, and that’s a key thing.”19
    • National Counterterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen explained that “the intelligencepicture we’ve had of this [Syrian] conflict zone isn’t what we’d like it to be… you can only review[data] against what you have.”20
    • Affirming these concerns, FBI Director James Comey testified in October to the Committee that“we can only query against that [data] which we have collected. So if someone has not madea ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their iden y or intentions reflected in ourdatabases, we can query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show upbecause we have no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”21
    • Earlier this year, FBI Assistant Director Michael Steinbach said that “the concern in Syria is thatwe don’t have the systems in places on the ground to collect the information… All of the datasets, the police, the intel services that normally you would go and seek that information [from],don’t exist.”22Finding 3: Despite security enhancements to the vetting process, senior officials remainconcerned about the risks and acknowledge the possibility of ISIS infiltration into U.S.-boundSyrian refugee populations.4National Intelligence Director James Clapper stated that “we don’t obviously put it pastthe likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”
    • Departments and agencies responsible for the security of the refugee vetting process haveexplained that additional screening measures have been put place to ensure that Syrianrefugees do not have ties to terrorism. However, after extensive briefings, Committee staffwere not satisfied that these measures would meaningfully mitigate the risks associated with alack of intelligence on the individuals being admitted.
    • FBI Director James Comey explained that “there is risk associated with bringing anybody infrom the outside, but especially from a conflict zone like [Syria]…My concern there is that thereare certain gaps I don’t want to talk about publicly in the data available to us.”23
    • DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson added, “It is true that we are not going to know a whole lot aboutthe Syrians that come forth in this process.”25 He also explained that “organizations like ISILmight like to exploit” the Syrian refugee resettlement program into the United States.24
    • Similarly, James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, stated that “we don’t obviously pu past the likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”25
    • Retired General John Allen, the president’s recent envoy on the coalition to defeat ISIL urgedsimilar caution. “We should be conscious of the potential that [ISIS] may attempt to embedagents within that [Syrian refugee] population.”27Finding 4: Surging admissions of Syrian refugees into the United States is likely to result in anincrease in federal law enforcement’s counterterrorism caseload.
    • Following the rise in admissions of Iraqi refugees into the United States, it was discovered thattwo al Qaeda terrorists had managed to slip through the cracks and resettle in Kentucky in2009.28 The FBI reportedly still has “dozens” of ongoing counterterrorism cases tied to theseadmissions.29
    • The Committee has been made aware that officials in multiple departments and agencies areconcerned about accelerating Syrian refugee admissions and fear that the lack of caution willresult in a range of new terrorism cases domestically.
    • Given the current high-threat environment, agencies are stretched extremely thin in termsof their ability to monitor suspects and disrupt plots. This year the FBI has been forced toconfront nearly a thousand terrorism-related cases in every single U.S. state, according to FBIDirector Comey, straining law enforcement resources. “We had to surge hundreds of peoplefrom criminal cases—which are important—and move them over to the national security side,”he noted. Comey said he was unsure what the Bureau would do if there was a return to thislevel of operational tempo.3

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    No comment from Randomguy, ChumpDumper, boutons, Spurminator etc???
    sure. You rightwingnuts with your metallic subs utes are ing black-hearted chicken s for being scared of the refugees your votes for Repugs created.

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    sure. You rightwingnuts with your metallic subs utes are ing black-hearted chicken s for being scared of the refugees your votes for Repugs created.
    I didn't vote for any repugs that created the refugees, but excellent job addressing the issues brought up.

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    Comey is a right-wing hack, a legacy of the disastrous Bush admin. I don't trust anything he says.
    Finding 2: While America has a proud tradition of refugee resettlement, the United Stateslacks the information needed to confidently screen refugees from the Syria conflict zone toidentify possible terrorism connections.FBI Director James Comey on the challenges of screening Syrian refugees: “We canquery our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up because wehave no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”
    • Top U.S. counterterrorism officials have been warning for months that the intelligence on theground in Syria is insufficient to thoroughly vet individuals traveling to the United States fromthe conflict zone. It is difficult both to confirm that Syrian asylum-seekers are who they claim tobe and to determine they do not have ties to terrorist groups.
    • Recently, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services official Matthew Emrich disclosed that thegovernment does not have access to any database in Syria that can be used to check thebackgrounds of incoming refugees against criminal and terrorist records.17 Nevertheless, it wasrevealed that over 90% of Syrian refugee applicants get approved, despite intelligence gapsand absent the ability to thoroughly check for security risks.18
    • According to former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes, “Our human sources [in Syria] areminimal, and we don’t have a government we can partner with, and that’s a key thing.”19
    • National Counterterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen explained that “the intelligencepicture we’ve had of this [Syrian] conflict zone isn’t what we’d like it to be… you can only review[data] against what you have.”20
    • Affirming these concerns, FBI Director James Comey testified in October to the Committee that“we can only query against that [data] which we have collected. So if someone has not madea ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their iden y or intentions reflected in ourdatabases, we can query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show upbecause we have no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”21
    • Earlier this year, FBI Assistant Director Michael Steinbach said that “the concern in Syria is thatwe don’t have the systems in places on the ground to collect the information… All of the datasets, the police, the intel services that normally you would go and seek that information [from],don’t exist.”22Finding 3: Despite security enhancements to the vetting process, senior officials remainconcerned about the risks and acknowledge the possibility of ISIS infiltration into U.S.-boundSyrian refugee populations.4National Intelligence Director James Clapper stated that “we don’t obviously put it pastthe likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”
    • Departments and agencies responsible for the security of the refugee vetting process haveexplained that additional screening measures have been put place to ensure that Syrianrefugees do not have ties to terrorism. However, after extensive briefings, Committee staffwere not satisfied that these measures would meaningfully mitigate the risks associated with alack of intelligence on the individuals being admitted.
    • FBI Director James Comey explained that “there is risk associated with bringing anybody infrom the outside, but especially from a conflict zone like [Syria]…My concern there is that thereare certain gaps I don’t want to talk about publicly in the data available to us.”23
    • DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson added, “It is true that we are not going to know a whole lot aboutthe Syrians that come forth in this process.”25 He also explained that “organizations like ISILmight like to exploit” the Syrian refugee resettlement program into the United States.24
    • Similarly, James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, stated that “we don’t obviously pu past the likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”25
    • Retired General John Allen, the president’s recent envoy on the coalition to defeat ISIL urgedsimilar caution. “We should be conscious of the potential that [ISIS] may attempt to embedagents within that [Syrian refugee] population.”27Finding 4: Surging admissions of Syrian refugees into the United States is likely to result in anincrease in federal law enforcement’s counterterrorism caseload.
    • Following the rise in admissions of Iraqi refugees into the United States, it was discovered thattwo al Qaeda terrorists had managed to slip through the cracks and resettle in Kentucky in2009.28 The FBI reportedly still has “dozens” of ongoing counterterrorism cases tied to theseadmissions.29
    • The Committee has been made aware that officials in multiple departments and agencies areconcerned about accelerating Syrian refugee admissions and fear that the lack of caution willresult in a range of new terrorism cases domestically.
    • Given the current high-threat environment, agencies are stretched extremely thin in termsof their ability to monitor suspects and disrupt plots. This year the FBI has been forced toconfront nearly a thousand terrorism-related cases in every single U.S. state, according to FBIDirector Comey, straining law enforcement resources. “We had to surge hundreds of peoplefrom criminal cases—which are important—and move them over to the national security side,”he noted. Comey said he was unsure what the Bureau would do if there was a return to thislevel of operational tempo.3

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    Above The Border, Canadians Don't Waver In Welcome For Refugees

    The newly elected liberal government in Ottawa is pushing ahead with a plan to let 25,000 Syrians into Canada by the end of the year — a stark contrast to the U.S., where the past week has seen Congress and governors, mostly Republicans, opposing the arrival of Syrian refugees.

    "We're talking about 25,000 refugees coming to Canada in a matter of weeks," says Chris Friesen, of the Immigration Services Society of British Columbia. His organization alone will go from processing 900 refugees a year to maybe 3,000 — just in the next six weeks. He's scrambling to find places for all of these people to sleep.

    http://www.npr.org/2015/11/21/456904...m_content=2047

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    I didn't vote for any repugs that created the refugees, but excellent job addressing the issues brought up.
    thank you so much, you who believes the propaganda and LIES from CIA and FBI, and who is obviously TOTALLY IGNORANT of current refugee/asylum seeker verification procedures that take 2 years, and that have allowed 1M into the USA in the past 10 years, while your beloved sicko, home-grown, NRA-protecting gun fellators have SLAUGHTERED 100s of Americans over the past 25 years, churches, malls, cinemas, federal buildings, kindergartens, etc.

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    No comment from Randomguy, ChumpDumper, boutons, Spurminator etc???
    The DHS Committee is made up of Congressmen. Call me cynical, but there is no political capital to be gained by recommending in favor of taking in refugees while the risk, however minuscule, is on the minds of their voters.

    I haven't seen top intelligence officials specifically recommend against the relocation of Syrian refugees. Basically, the quotes the Committee is highlighting in their analysis sum up to, "Yeah, sure, that could happen and we have to keep an eye on it." There's risk by definition every time we let someone into the country.
    There is still a far greater risk of terrorists entering over a border, and more benefit for them to do so. Unlike an infiltrator in the refugee program, we would have no way of monitoring them once they get here.

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    infantile, ignorant, racist, less gun fellators hiding behind bullet "bravery" ...

    Armed Protesters Rally Outside Texas Mosque: ‘We Do Want To Show Force


    A dozen of armed protesters rallied outside the Islamic Center of Irving, Texas on Saturday, calling for an end to the “Islamization of America” in response to rumors about Syrian refugees and Sharia court.

    Protest organizer David Wright told the Dallas Morning News that the weapons were mainly for “self-protection,”

    but noted that “we do want to show force. We’re not sitting ducks.”


    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...rmed-protests/



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    thank you so much, you who believes the propaganda and LIES from CIA and FBI, and who is obviously TOTALLY IGNORANT of current refugee/asylum seeker verification procedures that take 2 years
    Please explain in detail from where they will be getting the data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. All the top officials have said there is no reliable database to query. Prove here that you know more than these officials.

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    The DHS Committee is made up of Congressmen. Call me cynical, but there is no political capital to be gained by recommending in favor of taking in refugees while the risk, however minuscule, is on the minds of their voters.

    I haven't seen top intelligence officials specifically recommend against the relocation of Syrian refugees. Basically, the quotes the Committee is highlighting in their analysis sum up to, "Yeah, sure, that could happen and we have to keep an eye on it." There's risk by definition every time we let someone into the country.
    There is still a far greater risk of terrorists entering over a border, and more benefit for them to do so. Unlike an infiltrator in the refugee program, we would have no way of monitoring them once they get here.
    Every top official quoted said there isn't reliable data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. Why are you more confident in the process than people much more knowledgeable and qualified than you?

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    Please explain in detail from where they will be getting the data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. All the top officials have said there is no reliable database to query. Prove here that you know more than these officials.
    red herring, as in "database" being the ONLY way to vet refugees.

    I assume these govt people, with the experience of 100Ks of interviews, know what they're doing.

    Without any doubt, they're much more competent than your Repug legislators at federal or state level.

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    Thanks for the lol's as it's you who is completely ignorant to the process.

    I assume these govt people, with the experience of 100Ks of interviews, know what they're doing.
    Here are "these govt people" admitting they can not verify Syrian refugees reliably because of the lack of data and information.


    Finding 2: While America has a proud tradition of refugee resettlement, the United Stateslacks the information needed to confidently screen refugees from the Syria conflict zone toidentify possible terrorism connections.FBI Director James Comey on the challenges of screening Syrian refugees: “We canquery our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up because wehave no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”
    • Top U.S. counterterrorism officials have been warning for months that the intelligence on theground in Syria is insufficient to thoroughly vet individuals traveling to the United States fromthe conflict zone. It is difficult both to confirm that Syrian asylum-seekers are who they claim tobe and to determine they do not have ties to terrorist groups.
    • Recently, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services official Matthew Emrich disclosed that thegovernment does not have access to any database in Syria that can be used to check thebackgrounds of incoming refugees against criminal and terrorist records.17 Nevertheless, it wasrevealed that over 90% of Syrian refugee applicants get approved, despite intelligence gapsand absent the ability to thoroughly check for security risks.18
    • According to former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes, “Our human sources [in Syria] areminimal, and we don’t have a government we can partner with, and that’s a key thing.”19
    • National Counterterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen explained that “the intelligencepicture we’ve had of this [Syrian] conflict zone isn’t what we’d like it to be… you can only review[data] against what you have.”20
    • Affirming these concerns, FBI Director James Comey testified in October to the Committee that“we can only query against that [data] which we have collected. So if someone has not madea ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their iden y or intentions reflected in ourdatabases, we can query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show upbecause we have no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”21
    • Earlier this year, FBI Assistant Director Michael Steinbach said that “the concern in Syria is thatwe don’t have the systems in places on the ground to collect the information… All of the datasets, the police, the intel services that normally you would go and seek that information [from],don’t exist.”22Finding 3: Despite security enhancements to the vetting process, senior officials remainconcerned about the risks and acknowledge the possibility of ISIS infiltration into U.S.-boundSyrian refugee populations.4National Intelligence Director James Clapper stated that “we don’t obviously put it pastthe likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”
    • Departments and agencies responsible for the security of the refugee vetting process haveexplained that additional screening measures have been put place to ensure that Syrianrefugees do not have ties to terrorism. However, after extensive briefings, Committee staffwere not satisfied that these measures would meaningfully mitigate the risks associated with alack of intelligence on the individuals being admitted.
    • FBI Director James Comey explained that “there is risk associated with bringing anybody infrom the outside, but especially from a conflict zone like [Syria]…My concern there is that thereare certain gaps I don’t want to talk about publicly in the data available to us.”23
    • DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson added, “It is true that we are not going to know a whole lot aboutthe Syrians that come forth in this process.”25 He also explained that “organizations like ISILmight like to exploit” the Syrian refugee resettlement program into the United States.24
    • Similarly, James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, stated that “we don’t obviously pu past the likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”25
    • Retired General John Allen, the president’s recent envoy on the coalition to defeat ISIL urgedsimilar caution. “We should be conscious of the potential that [ISIS] may attempt to embedagents within that [Syrian refugee] population.”27Finding 4: Surging admissions of Syrian refugees into the United States is likely to result in anincrease in federal law enforcement’s counterterrorism caseload.
    • Following the rise in admissions of Iraqi refugees into the United States, it was discovered thattwo al Qaeda terrorists had managed to slip through the cracks and resettle in Kentucky in2009.28 The FBI reportedly still has “dozens” of ongoing counterterrorism cases tied to theseadmissions.29
    • The Committee has been made aware that officials in multiple departments and agencies areconcerned about accelerating Syrian refugee admissions and fear that the lack of caution willresult in a range of new terrorism cases domestically.
    • Given the current high-threat environment, agencies are stretched extremely thin in termsof their ability to monitor suspects and disrupt plots. This year the FBI has been forced toconfront nearly a thousand terrorism-related cases in every single U.S. state, according to FBIDirector Comey, straining law enforcement resources. “We had to surge hundreds of peoplefrom criminal cases—which are important—and move them over to the national security side,”he noted. Comey said he was unsure what the Bureau would do if there was a return to thislevel of operational tempo.3

    Do I need to highlight bold and color code the important parts like you do or can you read it as is?



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    The Boutons Group would you like another cup? ^^

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    red herring, as in "database" being the ONLY way to vet refugees.

    I assume these govt people, with the experience of 100Ks of interviews, know what they're doing.

    Without any doubt, they're much more competent than your Repug legislators at federal or state level.
    Interviews? - that's what we're gonna rely on - oh, no - I'm not a terrorist, I don't belong to ISIS, just let me into your country. You know how easy it is to LIE.

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    The "threat" of Syrian refugees MUST BE INFLATED, the FEAR MONGERING must be amplified, that's how the Nat Sec/police state justifies it $100Bs budget since they failed on 9/11 and Boston marathon.

    Many of these NatSec assholes also predicted invading Iraq for oil would be a cakewalk, a slam dunk.

    What you white nationalists chicken s are doing is avoiding responsibly for the refugees that YOUR REPUGS created.

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    The "threat" of Syrian refugees MUST BE INFLATED, the FEAR MONGERING must be amplified, that's how the Nat Sec/police state justifies it $100Bs budget since they failed on 9/11 and Boston marathon.
    You continue to avoid answering direct questions.
    Every top official quoted said there isn't reliable data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. Why are you more confident in the process than people much more knowledgeable and qualified than you?


    What you white nationalists chicken s are doing is avoiding responsibly for the refugees that YOUR REPUGS created.
    Please explain specifically how DEMOCRATS created the Syrian refugee crisis.

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    Syrian refugees in America: separating fact from fiction in the debate

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/19/syrian-refugees-in-america-fact-from-fiction-congress

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    What It’s Like To Be A Syrian Refugee In America




    http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/...refugee-story/

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    trying to spam your way out of answering questions

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    trying to spam your way out of answering questions
    2K Repug-created syrian refugees in USA now, how many Americans have they slaughtered?

    How did the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc, etc let these terrorists in? how could they have ed up their vetting?

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    2K Repug-created syrian refugees in USA now, how many Americans have they slaughtered?

    How did the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc, etc let these terrorists in? how could they have ed up their vetting?
    Still avoiding my questions like the you are.

    Every top official quoted said there isn't reliable data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. Why are you more confident in the process than people much more knowledgeable and qualified than you?















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    Still avoiding my questions like the you are.

    Every top official quoted said there isn't reliable data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. Why are you more confident in the process than people much more knowledgeable and qualified than you?





    As I've said, US security state is self-interested instilling paranoia, fear in simpletons like yourself, , to justify their $100Bs in budgeting.

    And Repugs, Fox are self-interested in ting on Obama while refusing all responsiblity for having created the Syrian refugees as part of the Repugs destabilizing the Middle East for oil.

    The Repugs are ALWAYS wrong, play All Politics, All The Time. And they are of course wrong on blocking Obama, USA from accepting a minuscule number of Syrian refugees, none of whom will be in USA before 2 years from now due to the extensive vetting they receive.

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    No comment from Randomguy, ChumpDumper, boutons, Spurminator etc???
    Republicans are opposed to an Obama policy?


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